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Old February 23rd, 2012, 12:55 AM   #2101
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I've lived here for 30 years... we are not the South.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 01:15 AM   #2102
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More South Shame on SSC. Oklahoma is as Southern as Southern can be. It is as Southern as Alabama. Oklahoma put the S-O-U-T-H in 'Southern.'

This is NOTHING to be ashamed of. Repeat after me: "This is nothing to be ashamed of."

Good!
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:33 AM   #2103
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Nope. Oklahoma is not as southern as southern can be. Historically or culturally, it is not southern.

- Oklahoma didn't exist during the civil war, and thus was not a confederate state. It was Indian Territory.

- Oklahoma Territory was settled heavily by Europeans and northeasterners that brought no southern culture to the state. Southerners streamed into Oklahoma steadily, but not more so until the 1920s when the mining industry took off.

Oklahoma was a territorial state which makes it neither southern or Midwestern. It holds a flavor all its own.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:37 AM   #2104
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I've always been part of the group that classifies Oklahoma in the Southwest with Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico.

We are about split between South and Midwest.

Generally, the language lines, those south of I-40, speak with strong Texas accents-southern accents.

Most Oklahomans above I-40 speak in a softer southern accent, with many people having a flat Midwestern accent.

We are pretty unique, geographically. But, let's not act as if we are the center of the universe.

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More South Shame on SSC. Oklahoma is as Southern as Southern can be. It is as Southern as Alabama. Oklahoma put the S-O-U-T-H in 'Southern.'

This is NOTHING to be ashamed of. Repeat after me: "This is nothing to be ashamed of."

Good!
I'll never get it.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:39 AM   #2105
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South Shame continues. You're confusing categories. Nobody said it was a Confederate state. You just contradicted yourself. How COULD it have been Confederate if it didn't exist during the Confederacy ?

All of the other Southern states were settled by Europeans. Indeed, the 18C South was probably more English than was 18C England.

Everywhere I go in OKC, never mind the rest of the state, the Southern drawl is PERVASIVE.

Every restaurant I go to serves SWAIT-TAY.

And it is not true that Tennessee is the "buckle of the Bible Belt." Oklahoma is the buckle of the Bible Belt.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:42 AM   #2106
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South Shame continues. You're confusing categories. Nobody said it was a Confederate state. You just contradicted yourself. How COULD it have been Confederate if it didn't exist during the Confederacy ?

All of the other Southern states were settled by Europeans. Indeed, the 18C South was probably more English than was 18C England.

Everywhere I go in OKC, never mind the rest of the state, the Southern drawl is PERVASIVE.

Every restaurant I go to serves SWAIT-TAY.

And it is not true that Tennessee is the "buckle of the Bible Belt." Oklahoma is the buckle of the Bible Belt.
Tulsa, specifically, is the "Buckle." Hehe.

But, seriously. Oklahoma is southern more than anything else.

60% southern
20% midwestern
20% western

If we must categorize as such (geographically, language, and culture speaking).
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:44 AM   #2107
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Hell, Florida is Southern New Jersey. Or Northern Puerto Rico, depending on the perspective. When I go to Oklahoma, if I see a guy I don't know I just call him Billy Joe Dale Bob.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:49 AM   #2108
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Haha, seriously.

I don't know if it's something people are ashamed of or what, but it's silly, frankly.

You are what you are. We are what we are. We aren't some northern state. We aren't some northwestern state. We are unique, but definitely southern more than anything.

Kansas is the cut off mark, in my opinion. They are the beginning line of the midwest.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:52 AM   #2109
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Haha, seriously.

I don't know if it's something people are ashamed of or what, but it's silly, frankly.

You are what you are. We are what we are. We aren't some northern state. We aren't some northwestern state. We are unique, but definitely southern more than anything.

Kansas is the cut off mark, in my opinion. They are the beginning line of the midwest.
Seriously. Southern is easily the most distinctive culture in the US. Beats me why Southerners of all people would be ashamed of it.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 04:58 AM   #2110
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Seriously. Southern is easily the most distinctive culture in the US. Beats me why Southerners of all people would be ashamed of it.
My uncle and I just had this conversation today...

Talking about some redneck girl who had a Confederate flag on her truck. Anyway, yea.

True stuff.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:24 AM   #2111
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Every restaurant I go to serves SWAIT-TAY.
Maybe in Idabel, OK.

No shame here, the south can be a really fun culture, but I don't know how you could honestly say you feel the same culture around you if you go from OKC and Tulsa to Birmingham or Nashville, unless you just aren't that experienced with southern culture.

The Texas/Oklahoma accent is actually a lot different from the Southern accent. Texas/Oklahoma culture grew out of ranching rather than plantations. Oklahoma didn't exist until almost 100 years after the rest of the South.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:31 AM   #2112
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More South Shame on SSC. Oklahoma is as Southern as Southern can be. It is as Southern as Alabama. Oklahoma put the S-O-U-T-H in 'Southern.'

This is NOTHING to be ashamed of. Repeat after me: "This is nothing to be ashamed of."

Good!
This statement is kinda ridiculous. Go spend a weekend in Tuscaloosa, AL and then one in Norman, OK. Both places are very very different from each other.


I don't consider Dallas, Austin, San Antonio to be southern either. Mainly because I have lived in all three cities when I grew up in the southeast. They are different.

Texas and Oklahoma are 80% southwestern.

This is a topic that deserves it's own thread though.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:38 AM   #2113
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Maybe in Idabel, OK.

No shame here, the south can be a really fun culture, but I don't know how you could honestly say you feel the same culture around you if you go from OKC and Tulsa to Birmingham or Nashville, unless you just aren't that experienced with southern culture.

The Texas/Oklahoma accent is actually a lot different from the Southern accent. Texas/Oklahoma culture grew out of ranching rather than plantations. Oklahoma didn't exist until almost 100 years after the rest of the South.
Nope, I mean SWAIT-TAY in Classen Curve. It's probably unintelligible in Idabel.

Besides, now you're complicating matters. Is there really an OKC culture which is altogether distinct from, say, a Little Rock culture ? And would I leave Birmingham on Monday, arrive in Memphis on Tuesday and ponder, "Gee, I guess I only thought I was in the South in B-Ham ... until I arrived in Memphis." ?

There is a general Southern culture. And Oklahoma is proudly, thankfully in the thick of it.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:41 AM   #2114
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This statement is kinda ridiculous. Go spend a weekend in Tuscaloosa, AL and then one in Norman, OK. Both places are very very different from each other.


I don't consider Dallas, Austin, San Antonio to be southern either. Mainly because I have lived in all three cities when I grew up in the southeast. They are different.

Texas and Oklahoma are 80% southwestern.

This is a topic that deserves it's own thread though.
My above rejoinder applies similarly to you. What's ridiculous is your stubborn and inexplicable insistence that Texas is Southwestern as opposed to Southern. Texans have more in common with Arkansans than they do with, say, Arizonans.

EVERYWHERE I have traveled in Texas, including Austin, the Southern drawl is ubiquitous.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:43 AM   #2115
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I really get the feeling that big urban developers in the United States are finally getting it.

Enough of this squabbling, **** is it annoying.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:46 AM   #2116
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Why don't we just call Texas it's own region and call it a day? haha I think that's what Texans would prefer anyhow. The "lone star state" claims no regional affiliation.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 05:49 AM   #2117
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Peace out! Back to Bubba Tower. Er, I mean Devon Tower!
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 10:41 AM   #2118
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This is an opportunity for them that can't be passed up!!!!
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Old February 24th, 2012, 01:40 AM   #2119
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My above rejoinder applies similarly to you. What's ridiculous is your stubborn and inexplicable insistence that Texas is Southwestern as opposed to Southern. Texans have more in common with Arkansans than they do with, say, Arizonans.
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Dale, you really are trying to hard, lol.

Flat dry land, cactus, tumble weeds, cowboys, belt buckles, cowboy boots just screams a Southwestern culture and that is exactly what Texas and Oklahoma are. Heck, look at University of Texas's football games. The entire band has southwestern clothes on and wear cowboy hats. They prance around with a long horn steer as a mascot. People walk around saying "Howdy Partner". Pre game festivities have the feel of being at a rodeo.

The overall state of Texas has more in common with New Mexico and Arizona than they do with South Carolina and Georgia.
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I'm definitely not feeling these lights. They look kind of cheesy like in a Las Vegas casino way.

The tower would probably look better with no lights at all. Just with floors being lit up by office lights would look good.

Or just put lights on the crown maybe just outlying the upset down looking triangles. Solid color string of lights... Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, etc... and have them change colors every 20 minutes.








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