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Old March 15th, 2006, 04:06 PM   #181
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Only two cities can have two stadia, so one out of Dublin, Cardiff & Glasgow would have to lose out.

Wrexham? 30,000 capacity stadium? Oh, that's a good one.

30,000 would be too big for the Dundee sides. You could always go back to the Caird Park West idea but I don't remember that being too popular with the locals...

Cork couldn't sustain one unless it's also for gaelic football and even then I can't see an all seater stadium being popular...

Aberdeen? Maybe, but when's the last time AFC averaged over 14,000?

Limerick? They've just done up the Gaelic Grounds so you're not gonna see gaelic football there. Last season Limerick FC averaged 669. Never going to happen.

And then you've got the fact that two of the countries are seperated by another country, and the third is seperated by water...

If you're going to make this a Celtic bid, why not include a stadium in Cornwall, the Isle of Man & Brittany? For goodness' sake...
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Old March 15th, 2006, 04:10 PM   #182
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Nooooo......can you imagine all them "hilarious" ginger-wig things, not to mention the kilts


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Old March 15th, 2006, 05:06 PM   #183
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Anyone see the latest FIFA rankings? USA is ranked 5th in the world.

What a joke.
Yer, FIFA rankings are always totally whack! They can never get it right, they base it on past performances where the USA faces crappy teams and wins, and ignore the commen consensus of how good a team is. I mean, everyone, even Americans, knows there are at least 10 teams better then the USA at the moment, and yet FIFA always seem to insist on having them (and Mexico) high up on the list...wtf?? I'm not hating on the USA here or anything, cus they do have a pretty decent team, but to place them in the same leauge as Brazil, England, Germany, France, Argentina, the Netherlands, or even Spain and Italy, is just a joke!

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Nooooo......can you imagine all them "hilarious" ginger-wig things, not to mention the kilts


You really don't like Scotland do ya mate??? btw, you forgot the eating of haggis and playing of bagpipes


I have to agre with what people have been saying so far, a joint 3 country bid is about as likely to happen as George Bush winning the Nobel prize!

Three automatic qualifications, disputes over who hosts which games and who hosts the final, people having to travel back and forth all over the place, Scotland, Ireland and Wales all blaming eachother if some aspect of it goes wrong, and possibly a shortage of decent venues when you take into account the fact that you are only likely to get one city that can submitt two stadiums and the Irish not allowing football in one or two of their stadiums....all kinds of problems stand in the way.

Maybe a joint Scotland-Wales bid, if either of them can agree on which stadium hosts the final, and if they do some major developments of existing stadiums and maybe build a couple more....

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Old March 15th, 2006, 05:44 PM   #184
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Hey Slim, i like the scots as much as the scots like the English.

And you can use all the roll-eyes smilies you want but the FACT is that thousands of jocks DO WEAR them "hilarious" ginger-wig things and kilts to scotland football matches.

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Old March 15th, 2006, 06:05 PM   #185
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Would have been one hell of a party that summer of 2008 in the city if we'd won the bid!
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Old March 16th, 2006, 05:04 AM   #186
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Wales fine, but not Ireland, they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery. I remember my friend got a call to arrest an Irish shoplifter. He found him lying seriously injured underneath Tesco's!!
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Old March 16th, 2006, 06:25 AM   #187
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good idea methinks..... but 3 births is a bit much.
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Old March 16th, 2006, 09:37 AM   #188
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Anyone see the latest FIFA rankings? USA is ranked 5th in the world.

What a joke.
Yeh where did those beer drinking, pretsel eating bumboys come from all of a sudden? I heard they beat Brazil once.

I know they must have beaten Canada & Hawai like a million times to get them up the rankings.
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Old March 16th, 2006, 12:20 PM   #189
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- Millennium Stadium, Cardiff 74,000 (72,500 for football with possible development the North Stand in next 10 years to boost capacity to 80,000)
If you mean rebuilding the two-tier North Stand to the same three-tier design of the rest of the stadium, I can't see how this would add more than an extra 1,000 seats...
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Old March 16th, 2006, 03:44 PM   #190
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If you mean rebuilding the two-tier North Stand to the same three-tier design of the rest of the stadium, I can't see how this would add more than an extra 1,000 seats...
The original design was for 80,000 seats, but the North Stand had to be reduced by 6,000 because of proximity to Cardiff Arms Park, it wouldn've had to be knocked down for the full-sized Mill Stad. They won't be adding any extra seats unless it does get knocked down, and even then I'm not sure if they actually could.
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Old March 16th, 2006, 03:56 PM   #191
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Old March 16th, 2006, 03:56 PM   #192
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Ireland
Croke Park: 82,500
Lansdown Road: 50,000

Wales
Millennium Stadium: 72,500

Scotland
Celtic Park: 60,000
Hampden: 52,000
Ibrox Park: 51,000
Murrayfield: 67,500

Then you have 6 stadiums, need another two. Some options:

SCO - Pittodrie Park: 22,000 seats
NIR - Windsor Park Belfast: 21,000 seats
WAL - Liberty Stadium Swansea: 20,000 seats
WAL - Ninjan Park Stadium Cardiff: 22,000 seats (but two in Cardiff is not an option)
IRL - Austin Stack Park: 25,000 seats
IRL / NIR- some GAA stadium?

But a problem. Hampden, Celtic as well as Ibrox are all Glasgow. Three's just too much. We need to cancel one of them, and Murrayfield's the national rugbystadium so I don't know how the football-rugby relations are over there.

I'd go for Liberty Stadium. It's a little over-the-top to give Scotland 5 stadiums, and 4-3-1 is not really fair, 4-2-2 is more like it. That is 4 for Scotland, 2 for Ireland and 2 for Wales. We could also give Scotland 4, Ireland 2, Wales 1 and Northern Ireland 1.

I know Northern Ireland isn't Ireland officially but hey, they've got some nice stadiums.
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Old March 16th, 2006, 04:28 PM   #193
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Ireland
Croke Park: 82,500
Lansdown Road: 50,000

Wales
Millennium Stadium: 72,500

Scotland
Celtic Park: 60,000
Hampden: 52,000
Ibrox Park: 51,000
Murrayfield: 67,500

Then you have 6 stadiums, need another two. Some options:

SCO - Pittodrie Park: 22,000 seats
NIR - Windsor Park Belfast: 21,000 seats
WAL - Liberty Stadium Swansea: 20,000 seats
WAL - Ninjan Park Stadium Cardiff: 22,000 seats (but two in Cardiff is not an option)
IRL - Austin Stack Park: 25,000 seats
IRL / NIR- some GAA stadium?

But a problem. Hampden, Celtic as well as Ibrox are all Glasgow. Three's just too much. We need to cancel one of them, and Murrayfield's the national rugbystadium so I don't know how the football-rugby relations are over there.

I'd go for Liberty Stadium. It's a little over-the-top to give Scotland 5 stadiums, and 4-3-1 is not really fair, 4-2-2 is more like it. That is 4 for Scotland, 2 for Ireland and 2 for Wales. We could also give Scotland 4, Ireland 2, Wales 1 and Northern Ireland 1.

I know Northern Ireland isn't Ireland officially but hey, they've got some nice stadiums.
Well...the problems with the bid: Croke Park is not a deffinate option, as Ireland won't want people playing an English game etc etc bla bla bla and all that kinda trouble. Then you can only (as you rightly said) have two stadiums from one city, so that would be Celtic Park and Hampden from Glasgow; and also-as you say-Murrayfield is a rugby stadium and it might (I say might) not be feasible or desirable to have football played there.

So that leaves 4 certainties:

Millenium Stadium, Wales, Cardiff - 72,500
Celtic Park, Scotland, Glasgow - 60,000
Hampden, Scotland, Glasgow - 52,000
Lansdown Road, Ireland, Dublin - 36,000

Then, if you accept that a joint three country bid is not possible, and you leave out Ireland, you are left with just those 3 stadiums as deffinates. I know a Euro or World Cup bid always requires the upgrading or construction of football stadiums, but I gotta say, it ain't much of a starting point!
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Old March 16th, 2006, 04:46 PM   #194
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You see, joint bids, normally always imply equality between the nations. Look at Switzerland and Austria, hosting an equal number of games of equal importance, whilst the final is held in one, the opening game is in the t'other.

I don't think that the Irish and Welsh would be happy to be subsidiary partners providing a quarter of a tournament each to the Scottish Half. It just wouldn't work, triumvirates will not work out. A partnership can.
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Old March 16th, 2006, 04:52 PM   #195
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I know Northern Ireland isn't Ireland officially but hey, they've got some nice stadiums.


I don't know of a single decent Ulster Stadium?
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Old March 16th, 2006, 05:12 PM   #196
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Ireland
Croke Park: 82,500
Lansdown Road: 50,000

Wales
Millennium Stadium: 72,500

Scotland
Celtic Park: 60,000
Hampden: 52,000
Ibrox Park: 51,000
Murrayfield: 67,500

Then you have 6 stadiums, need another two. Some options:

SCO - Pittodrie Park: 22,000 seats
NIR - Windsor Park Belfast: 21,000 seats
WAL - Liberty Stadium Swansea: 20,000 seats
WAL - Ninjan Park Stadium Cardiff: 22,000 seats (but two in Cardiff is not an option)
IRL - Austin Stack Park: 25,000 seats
IRL / NIR- some GAA stadium?

But a problem. Hampden, Celtic as well as Ibrox are all Glasgow. Three's just too much. We need to cancel one of them, and Murrayfield's the national rugbystadium so I don't know how the football-rugby relations are over there.

I'd go for Liberty Stadium. It's a little over-the-top to give Scotland 5 stadiums, and 4-3-1 is not really fair, 4-2-2 is more like it. That is 4 for Scotland, 2 for Ireland and 2 for Wales. We could also give Scotland 4, Ireland 2, Wales 1 and Northern Ireland 1.

I know Northern Ireland isn't Ireland officially but hey, they've got some nice stadiums.
Hearts use Murrayfield for European games. There would ne no problem using Murrayfield. Hampden would also have to be used, as the SFA own it, and any bid will obviously involve the SFA using their own stadium.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 01:35 AM   #197
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One thing that gets me is how can three countries that don't even share a border but share a bit of history be the basis of a bid? Most of us in England are from Anglo-Saxon-Roman-Viking-Norman-Celtic blood, does that mean we can include half of Europe in our bid for the 2018 World Cup? Ludicrous.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 01:51 AM   #198
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Well...the problems with the bid: Croke Park is not a deffinate option, as Ireland won't want people playing an English game etc etc bla bla bla and all that kinda trouble. Then you can only (as you rightly said) have two stadiums from one city, so that would be Celtic Park and Hampden from Glasgow; and also-as you say-Murrayfield is a rugby stadium and it might (I say might) not be feasible or desirable to have football played there.

So that leaves 4 certainties:

Millenium Stadium, Wales, Cardiff - 72,500
Celtic Park, Scotland, Glasgow - 60,000
Hampden, Scotland, Glasgow - 52,000
Lansdown Road, Ireland, Dublin - 36,000

Then, if you accept that a joint three country bid is not possible, and you leave out Ireland, you are left with just those 3 stadiums as deffinates. I know a Euro or World Cup bid always requires the upgrading or construction of football stadiums, but I gotta say, it ain't much of a starting point!
If only 2 stadiums in Glasgow were to be chosen I would bet my life it would be Hampden and Ibrox. They are Uefa certified 5star stadia, Celtic Park is not.
In fact Celtic Park will probably have fallen down by the next Euro Championships anyway.
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It will make the euros into a laughing stock if there are 3 hosts which are all seperated geographically, at least all the scandinavians share a border.
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If only 2 stadiums in Glasgow were to be chosen I would bet my life it would be Hampden and Ibrox. They are Uefa certified 5star stadia, Celtic Park is not.
In fact Celtic Park will probably have fallen down by the next Euro Championships anyway.
Whatever. I wasn't taking issue with which stadiums are being used, and if you say they will use Hampden instead of Celtic Park, then I'll go along with that. The point I was just tring to make is that ure only gonna get 2 stadiums from one city, and 1 each from the rest.

From reading other people's comments and from my own knowledge, the possiblilty of a joint 3 country (or even two country) bid between Scotland, Wales and Ireland is actually looking less and less likely the more I think about it.

-Not enough stadiums!
-Not enough real support from a lot of the people in the 3 countries
-All three countries are seperated from eachother
-Issues over who hosts the final/starter etc etc
-All three countries have something of an animosity towards eachother and there will be too many disagreements
-Wales and Ireland would probably end up only having a minimal amount of matches, with Scotland taking the bulk, and they won't want that!
-3 country bids are not looked on favourably by most of UEFA, FIFA or any other organisation


Just some of the problems! Even a Scotland-Wales bid, while being a bit more realistic, would still probably not work.


But what do I know, eh?

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