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Old March 17th, 2006, 09:02 AM   #201
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Nah sorry just can’t see it happening, unless the Euro final is held at either Hampden or Murrayfield

We can supply

Hampden 52000
Celtic Park 60000
Ibrox 52000 (being expanded to 56000 this summer)
Murrayfield 67500
Tynecastle 30000
Dundee 30000 (joint stadium, reduced to 20000 after championships)
New Aberdeen Stadium 30000 (reduced to 25000 after the championships)
Easter Road 30000 (reduced to 25000 after the championships)
Rugby Park 20000 (can be temporarily increased to 30000)

Why would we let two other countries joint host when we can almost hold it ourselves, all we want is a junior partner to take maybe one group of the four and host a quarter, a semi and the third place play off)

If it is a case of looking at bigger stadia for the final, fine redevelop the small stand at Murrayfield and increase its capacity to 75000, that should do it!!

The WCML can get from Birmingham to Glasgow in three hours these days, so transport is not an issue!
Sorry but have you not read my post above!

Scotland could supply five stadia easily

Glasgow X 2
Edinburgh
Dundee
Aberdeen

Then two in Wales MIllenium and Swansea

If we need another then use a temporarily expanded Kilmarnock or build a multi purpose stadium in Inverness that can be used for concerts, exhibitions and as a highland sporting centre of excellence afterwards

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Old March 17th, 2006, 11:14 AM   #202
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Is 10 stadiums now the minium requirement for the euro's? England used 8 in 96 remember and with that number a joint Scots/Welsh bid looks alot easier to achieve. Ontop of the millenium the welsh could used Cardiff city's new ground plus new stadiums in Swansea and Wrexham(perhaps with some tempt seats going down to 20-25,000 afterwards).

If as discussed in the Hampden thread the relatively small extension was due to lack of funds then I'd guess the SFA would want to use the euro's to extend it further. If you extend the second tier all the way round(or just on the other side) then drop the pitch as much as possible then I'd guess you'd end up with a capacity around 65-75,000.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 11:36 AM   #203
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It will make the euros into a laughing stock if there are 3 hosts which are all seperated geographically, at least all the scandinavians share a border.
Ireland shares a border with Wales as much as Denmark shares one with Sweden, but I agree with the point you're trying to make
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Old March 17th, 2006, 01:17 PM   #204
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Then two in Wales MIllenium and Swansea

If we need another then use a temporarily expanded Kilmarnock or build a multi purpose stadium in Inverness that can be used for concerts, exhibitions and as a highland sporting centre of excellence afterwards


You'll need an equal number of stadia (probably 4) in each country, so the matches can be shared out equally as happened in Belguim and the Netherlands, and as will happen in the Alpine Countries in a couple of years.

Scotland will need to supply four.
Wales will need to supply four.

That is why a three country bid is so messed up, could never be agree on, and could never be allowed.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 02:50 PM   #205
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Ireland shares a border with Wales as much as Denmark shares one with Sweden, but I agree with the point you're trying to make
What? you can now drive from Wales to Ireland??

Distances around Scandinavia are huge,( especially in Norway and Sweden, where the longest away trip between 2 top clubs is probably longer than going from London to north africa. )
But, ironically, the best supported danish club and the best supported swedish club are actually only seperated by a 15 minute drive across a bridge.

Scandinavia could make a superb bid for a EURO tournament as the geography and spread of venues would fit a 3-4 each bid perfectly but an attempt should only be made if its quite clear that UEFA consider 3 hosts acceptable.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 03:58 PM   #206
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What? you can now drive from Wales to Ireland??
Fair point, you can drive from Denmark to Sweden without using a ferry - I was just pointing out that there's no land border. Like I said, I agree with your point that the three countries aren't exactly contiguous - to get from one to the other you either have to fly, take a ferry and/or drive through another country. A Scotland/Ireland/Wales bid would be analogous to, say, a Norway/Denmark/Poland one...
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Old March 17th, 2006, 04:09 PM   #207
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Then two in Wales MIllenium and Swansea

If we need another then use a temporarily expanded Kilmarnock or build a multi purpose stadium in Inverness that can be used for concerts, exhibitions and as a highland sporting centre of excellence afterwards


You'll need an equal number of stadia (probably 4) in each country, so the matches can be shared out equally as happened in Belguim and the Netherlands, and as will happen in the Alpine Countries in a couple of years.

Scotland will need to supply four.
Wales will need to supply four.

That is why a three country bid is so messed up, could never be agree on, and could never be allowed.
Indeed, in a two country bid the opening ceremony generally goes to the host who doesnt have the final. In a three country bid the best they could do with be to give the first country the final and one QF, the second the opening game one semi and one QF and the third one semi, two QF's and the 3rd place match.

Another problem with a three nation bid would be that almost all the big stadia of all three nations are in their capital/largest city. If the bid took the normal PC route of spreading things out as much as possible then it would have to either ignore some of those big stadia or use a very high number of venues rasing the cost alot. Either way you don't really benefit in terms of the total capacity on offer compaired to a two nation bid.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 04:28 PM   #208
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Fair point, you can drive from Denmark to Sweden without using a ferry - I was just pointing out that there's no land border. Like I said, I agree with your point that the three countries aren't exactly contiguous - to get from one to the other you either have to fly, take a ferry and/or drive through another country. A Scotland/Ireland/Wales bid would be analogous to, say, a Norway/Denmark/Poland one...
No, it is hard to get from Norway/Denmark to Poland and would take a number of hours. It is very easy to get from Scotland to Wales or to Ireland.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 06:15 PM   #209
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I was just picking three countries where you either had to cross the water and/or drive through another country to get from one to another.

I don't mind two adjoining countries splitting the Euro Championships 50/50 as Belgium and The Netherlands did, and Austria and Switzerland are about to, as it means more nations get the chance to host them, but all the proposals for the Celtic countries to host between them just seem messy and contrived. In rugby, the best World Cups have been the ones with a single host (South Africa in 1995 and Australia in 2003) - the ones spread around the Five Nations (1991 and 1999) were too spread out, and sadly politics and horse-trading have meant that France 2007 is really 7/8 France, 1/12 Wales and 1/24 Scotland (though Scotland are apparently looking to hand back their two games)...
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Old March 17th, 2006, 06:49 PM   #210
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I was just picking three countries where you either had to cross the water and/or drive through another country to get from one to another.

I don't mind two adjoining countries splitting the Euro Championships 50/50 as Belgium and The Netherlands did, and Austria and Switzerland are about to, as it means more nations get the chance to host them, but all the proposals for the Celtic countries to host between them just seem messy and contrived. In rugby, the best World Cups have been the ones with a single host (South Africa in 1995 and Australia in 2003) - the ones spread around the Five Nations (1991 and 1999) were too spread out, and sadly politics and horse-trading have meant that France 2007 is really 7/8 France, 1/12 Wales and 1/24 Scotland (though Scotland are apparently looking to hand back their two games)...
It doesn't matter, as Scotland, Wales and Ireland will not be hosting anything together!
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Old March 17th, 2006, 07:00 PM   #211
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So if Ireland, Scotland and Wales jointly hosted it (if UEFA want the championships back in the British Isles they should let England host it again simply for practical reasons), but if the three celtic nations jointly hosted it, would that mean all three would automatically qualify?

I know it'd probably be Scotland's and Wales' only realistic way of qualifying but three teams getting an automatic spot is a bit much.

On a side note, how come Ireland, with a million less people in it than Scotland, are far superior at sport to them? Scotland doesn't even have the added disadvantage of losing a high percentage of its talented youngsters to the GAA like the Irish.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 07:35 PM   #212
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So if Ireland, Scotland and Wales jointly hosted it (if UEFA want the championships back in the British Isles they should let England host it again simply for practical reasons), but if the three celtic nations jointly hosted it, would that mean all three would automatically qualify?

I know it'd probably be Scotland's and Wales' only realistic way of qualifying but three teams getting an automatic spot is a bit much.

On a side note, how come Ireland, with a million less people in it than Scotland, are far superior at sport to them? Scotland doesn't even have the added disadvantage of losing a high percentage of its talented youngsters to the GAA like the Irish.
So why did Scotland finish 3rd in their 2006 group (despite going through the worst phase in their history) and Ireland, who you claim are so much better, finished 4th in their group?

Ireland are in fact far inferior to Scotland at sport! Scotland are bad at football at the moment, but all countries go through bad phases. In the 70's, England went 12 years without qualifying for a World Cup and 10 years without qualifying for anything!! Scotland has qualified for 8 World Cups and 2 European Championships, far more than Ireland (3 World Cups and 1 European Championship). Outside of football & rugby, Scotland absolutely pumps Ireland from golf to tennis (best tennis player in the UK) to athletics (more medals today for Scotland) to motorsport. I always laugh at these UK mongols who think football and rugby are the only 2 sports in the world. Just look at our hall of fame -


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A man who defied categorisation, playing rugby, cricket, tennis, golf, billiards and much more, all with great success - Leslie M Balfour-Melville

Association Football -
Jim Baxter
Billy Bremner
Kenny Dalglish
Sir Matt Busby
John Greig
Jimmy Johnstone
Denis Law
Jimmy McGrory
Billy McNeill
Bill Shankly
Gordon Smith
Jock Stein

Athletics -
Donald Dinnie
Wyndham Halswelle
Eric Liddell
Liz McColgan
George McNeill
Arthur James Robertson
Ian Stewart
Allan Wells

Baseball -
Bobby Thomson

Boxing -
Ken Buchanan
Benny Lynch
Walter McGowan
Richard McTaggart
Jackie Paterson
Jim Watt

Cricket -
Michael Denness

Cycling -
Robert Millar

Golf -
Tommy Armour
James Braid
Sandy Lyle
"Old" Tom Morris
"Young" Tom Morris
Belle Robertson
Jessie Valentine

Judo -
George Kerr

Horse Racing -
Dr Willie Carson

Motorsport -
Louise Aitken-Walker
Jim Clark
Jimmie Guthrie
Bob McIntyre
Sir Jackie Stewart

Mountaineering and Hillwalking -
Captain Robert Barclay Allardice
Dougal Haston
Dr Hamish McInnes

Rugby Union -
Finlay Calder
W I Douglas Elliot
Gavin Hastings
Andy Irvine
GPS Macpherson
Mark Coxon Morrison
Robert Wilson Shaw

Sailing -
Sir Chay Blyth
Rodney Pattisson

Shinty -
Dr John Cattanach

Shooting -
Alister Alan

Swimming and Diving -
Ian Black
Elenor Gordon
Sir Peter Heatly
Ellen King
Bob McGregor
Nancy Riach
David Wilkie
Jack Wardrop

Table Tennis -
Helen Elliot Hamilton

Tennis -
Winifred Mason Wooldridge

Weightlifting and Wrestling -
Launceston Elliot
John McNiven

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Old March 17th, 2006, 07:52 PM   #213
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Quality! I love the sound of a good barrel being scraped.

No matter how you want to dress it up, face facts, the two sports that matter (football and rugby) they've been kicking your arses for years now and are still infinitely better in both. Other sports don't really matter. Apart from boxing maybe.

They kick your arses in that too, funnily enough.

I wasn't having a pop, I was merely interested why this was. Having a smaller population and an obsession with GAA and they still totally outclass you in both rugby and football. Any ideas why?
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Quality! I love the sound of a good barrel being scraped.

No matter how you want to dress it up, face facts, the two sports that matter (football and rugby) they've been kicking your arses for years now and are still infinitely better in both. Other sports don't really matter. Apart from boxing maybe.

They kick your arses in that too, funnily enough.

I wasn't having a pop, I was merely interested why this was. Having a smaller population and an obsession with GAA and they still totally outclass you in both rugby and football. Any ideas why?
First of all, you are obviously an ignorant chav if you think football & rugby are the only 2 important sports in the world. Thankfully, I tried hard at school and went to University, and I am educated to know many people love many different sports. A tennis fan is just as passionate about tennis as a football fan is about football.

As for your question, I can't answer it as Scotland have a far better record in football and finished higher in their 2006 group than Ireland did.

I think I should ignore you as you are obviously a bit of a mongol!
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Old March 17th, 2006, 08:26 PM   #215
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As for your question, I can't answer it as Scotland have a far better record in football and finished higher in their 2006 group than Ireland did.

I think I should ignore you as you are obviously a bit of a mongol!
FIFA World Rankings:

Ireland - 29

Scotland - 62

Next.
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FIFA World Rankings:

Ireland - 29

Scotland - 62

Next.
FIFA World Rankings:

Czech Republic - 2nd
USA - 5th


Obviously these rankings are nonsense.
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FIFA World Rankings:

Ireland - 29

Scotland - 62

Next.
UEFA Ranking 2005:

Scotland - 10

Ireland - 38
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It should also be pointed out that although Ireland has a population of 4 million, the number of people eligible to play for Ireland is in fact far more because of Irish emigration over the last 400 years. If you look at the players who have played for Ireland over the last 20 years, most are in reality English. Most were born or raised in England, and were eligible to play for Ireland because their great grandmother grew potatoes in Donegal, or something like that!
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It should also be pointed out that although Ireland has a population of 4 million, the number of people eligible to play for Ireland is in fact far more because of Irish emigration over the last 400 years. If you look at the players who have played for Ireland over the last 20 years, most are in reality English. Most were born or raised in England, and were eligible to play for Ireland because their great grandmother grew potatoes in Donegal, or something like that!
There you go! You got there eventually. I asked for a reason for Ireland's superiority and you finally gave it (albeit a fairly predictable one).

Well done!
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