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Old March 17th, 2006, 10:24 PM   #221
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There you go! You got there eventually. I asked for a reason for Ireland's superiority and you finally gave it (albeit a fairly predictable one).

Well done!
Ern no, at no point did I say Ireland was superior to Scotland at sports. I can name about 20 international sports where Scotland absolutely pumps Ireland and has done for the last 100 years.

You are boring me now. Please change the record!!
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Old March 17th, 2006, 10:42 PM   #222
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If you look at the players who have played for Ireland over the last 20 years, most are in reality English
Another corker!

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Old March 17th, 2006, 11:13 PM   #223
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Another corker!

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You really are thick mate. Please go away, as you are out of your depth here -

"In effect, then, what Article 18 offers the Republic of Ireland - a country with a population of only four million people - is direct access to an enormous reserve of diasporic Irish players, most of whom have been drawn from England, the primary destination of twentieth-century Irish migrants (Akenson, 6), and the self-appointed 'home' of football itself."

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Old March 17th, 2006, 11:22 PM   #224
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If you look at the players who have played for Ireland over the last 20 years, most are in reality English

And still he digs. You'll be needing a new spade soon, numbnuts. Squirm and wriggle and call me as many names as you like, your laughable statement above is fundamentally untrue (like a lot of the stuff you post on here it seems).

The vast majority of Ireland's players over the last 20 years were born in Ireland.

In fact, it's not even close. Your statement is so far wide of the mark it's embarrassing. Don't argue with me with regards footballing matters. I'm a world leading authority with contacts in the upper echelons of the English game and, therefore, quite liable to make you look daft.

As I just have.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 11:57 PM   #225
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And still he digs. You'll be needing a new spade soon, numbnuts. Squirm and wriggle and call me as many names as you like, your laughable statement above is fundamentally untrue (like a lot of the stuff you post on here it seems).

The vast majority of Ireland's players over the last 20 years were born in Ireland.

In fact, it's not even close. Your statement is so far wide of the mark it's embarrassing. Don't argue with me with regards footballing matters. I'm a world leading authority with contacts in the upper echelons of the English game and, therefore, quite liable to make you look daft.

As I just have.
If you are born in Ireland and move to England at a very young age and are raised in England, then you are English, not Irish. Anyway, a huge number of Irish players were born in England.

In Ireland's 2002 Japan/Korea World Cup squad, 12 out of the 23 players were born and raised in England. I rest my case.

I will now ignore you as you are a ****.
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Old March 18th, 2006, 12:19 AM   #226
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If you look at the players who have played for Ireland over the last 20 years, most are in reality English
Hehehehe let's all laugh at Bamber. Dig dig dig.
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Old March 18th, 2006, 01:21 AM   #227
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If you are born in Ireland and move to England at a very young age and are raised in England, then you are English, not Irish. Anyway, a huge number of Irish players were born in England.

In Ireland's 2002 Japan/Korea World Cup squad, 12 out of the 23 players were born and raised in England. I rest my case.

I will now ignore you as you are a ****.
I agree bubomb as many English sports people who cannot get into the england team tend to join nations from which they have some ancestory(e.g. trinidad & tobago, ireland, wales) so that they can take part in competitions even if they are representing another country.
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You gotta love those intra-British internet fights.
They're great arn't they? It's one of the main advantages of being British! There's nothing like a good healthy scrap between neighbours, and the best thing about it is you don't even need to know what's going on, you just have to pick a side and join in.

Here, I'll show you:

Scotland suck at football, Ireland are miles better, football is the only sport worth playing...

^ You get the idea, now someone will have a go at me, and I become initiated into the arguement, as easy as that! Man I love this big nation of ours! You should try it Kampfy, it's great fun

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Old March 18th, 2006, 03:54 AM   #229
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You gotta love those intra-British internet fights.
Keep out of it foreigner you don't understand our petty prejudices and parocialisms he he

Only kidding we hate each other but love each other in the same breath!!!
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Old March 18th, 2006, 03:55 AM   #230
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We do have the most unique constitutional arrangements in the world makes for good viewing from the outside me thinks!
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Old March 18th, 2006, 03:57 AM   #231
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no one responding I suppose that is the downside of living upside down in Australia! You are all asleep when i am in here!
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Old March 18th, 2006, 04:01 AM   #232
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Old March 18th, 2006, 08:21 AM   #233
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I agree bubomb as many English sports people who cannot get into the england team tend to join nations from which they have some ancestory(e.g. trinidad & tobago, ireland, wales) so that they can take part in competitions even if they are representing another country.
There's even an Englishman playing for Scotland!!

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Old March 18th, 2006, 03:54 PM   #234
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On a side note, how come Ireland, with a million less people in it than Scotland, are far superior at sport to them? Scotland doesn't even have the added disadvantage of losing a high percentage of its talented youngsters to the GAA like the Irish.
Because scottish sport is run by by incompetent people.

Look at rugby.
Scottish rugby is simply broke. Losses increase every year because they have to pay off debt from a Murrayfield expansion they couldnt afford.
To fight the loses they have increased ticket prices scaring people away in such large numbers that they didnt need the expansion in the first place.
Farcical stuff. Murrayfield is now only full once a year at best.

scottish rugby spend the rest of their money funding artificial regional pro teams even though no scottish fans cares about these teams at all but prefer to support the national team and the many traditional amateur small town teams.
To make absolutely sure these pro teams do not pick up any support they move them around.
To spend all that cash on talent development instead and then let them play for clubs in other countries, like England where rugby is a profitable business, well its unthinkable.

Scottish football,
well the SFA dont think much of training facilities either, focusing instead on getting their poor national stadium.
I think most teams in the top league still dont have their own training ground or even just access to a decent ground. I think it still happens that a bus full of pro´s drive around scotland looking for a place to train but give up and drive home, and this is top league teams.

They cant afford facilities themselves as an insane rule (even by scottish standards) demanding 10,000 seats for all clubs, forced most clubs into debt funding these structures,many of which have never been used.
You couldnt make it up.
My favorite is probably Raith Rovers, where just about all seats are behind each goal. A very strange place but of course the club knew they only needed the seats to comply with regulations and not to actually use them so built them wherever it fitted best.
All this debt of course rules out that any decent training ground could ever be built or even modest long term talent development could be considered.

2 big rich clubs could make a difference but they are also massively in debt having spent up to 12 million pounds on old norwegian has-beens, money that could have revolutionised scottish training facilities.
Despite constantly going out of europe in the 90´s losing to financially much weaker teams, Rangers believed they only needed to spend more to win.
The fact that they were beaten by teams from small but more balanced leagues where talent could be developed on something as shocking as even fields of grass never seemed to occur to Rangers.
They now have excellent training facilities but it has only increased the gap in standards, already the biggest in Europe.

Historically they could rely on being a passionate football country. Kids would learn the game playing in the streets. It doesnt work that way anymore, though some scottish administrators probably think so. Instead they rely on clubs at all levels but they have little to offer.

But as Bubomb shows, many scots think its just a bad phase in their history, as if it will fix itself.
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Old March 18th, 2006, 05:08 PM   #235
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Because scottish sport is run by by incompetent people.

Look at rugby.
Scottish rugby is simply broke. Losses increase every year because they have to pay off debt from a Murrayfield expansion they couldnt afford.
To fight the loses they have increased ticket prices scaring people away in such large numbers that they didnt need the expansion in the first place.
Farcical stuff. Murrayfield is now only full once a year at best.

scottish rugby spend the rest of their money funding artificial regional pro teams even though no scottish fans cares about these teams at all but prefer to support the national team and the many traditional amateur small town teams.
To make absolutely sure these pro teams do not pick up any support they move them around.
To spend all that cash on talent development instead and then let them play for clubs in other countries, like England where rugby is a profitable business, well its unthinkable.

Scottish football,
well the SFA dont think much of training facilities either, focusing instead on getting their poor national stadium.
I think most teams in the top league still dont have their own training ground or even just access to a decent ground. I think it still happens that a bus full of pro´s drive around scotland looking for a place to train but give up and drive home, and this is top league teams.

They cant afford facilities themselves as an insane rule (even by scottish standards) demanding 10,000 seats for all clubs, forced most clubs into debt funding these structures,many of which have never been used.
You couldnt make it up.
My favorite is probably Raith Rovers, where just about all seats are behind each goal. A very strange place but of course the club knew they only needed the seats to comply with regulations and not to actually use them so built them wherever it fitted best.
All this debt of course rules out that any decent training ground could ever be built or even modest long term talent development could be considered.

2 big rich clubs could make a difference but they are also massively in debt having spent up to 12 million pounds on old norwegian has-beens, money that could have revolutionised scottish training facilities.
Despite constantly going out of europe in the 90´s losing to financially much weaker teams, Rangers believed they only needed to spend more to win.
The fact that they were beaten by teams from small but more balanced leagues where talent could be developed on something as shocking as even fields of grass never seemed to occur to Rangers.
They now have excellent training facilities but it has only increased the gap in standards, already the biggest in Europe.

Historically they could rely on being a passionate football country. Kids would learn the game playing in the streets. It doesnt work that way anymore, though some scottish administrators probably think so. Instead they rely on clubs at all levels but they have little to offer.

But as Bubomb shows, many scots think its just a bad phase in their history, as if it will fix itself.
Superb stuff! Many thanks. A very informative and well thought out response; the kind I was hoping for before it was hi-jacked by the rants of some mad fan of Glasgow's second club.

Thank you.
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Old March 18th, 2006, 09:12 PM   #236
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Because scottish sport is run by by incompetent people.

Look at rugby.
Scottish rugby is simply broke. Losses increase every year because they have to pay off debt from a Murrayfield expansion they couldnt afford.
To fight the loses they have increased ticket prices scaring people away in such large numbers that they didnt need the expansion in the first place.
Farcical stuff. Murrayfield is now only full once a year at best.

scottish rugby spend the rest of their money funding artificial regional pro teams even though no scottish fans cares about these teams at all but prefer to support the national team and the many traditional amateur small town teams.
To make absolutely sure these pro teams do not pick up any support they move them around.
To spend all that cash on talent development instead and then let them play for clubs in other countries, like England where rugby is a profitable business, well its unthinkable.
Scotland finished 3rd and above England in the 6 nations. Things can't be that bad!

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Scottish football, well the SFA dont think much of training facilities either, focusing instead on getting their poor national stadium. I think most teams in the top league still dont have their own training ground or even just access to a decent ground. I think it still happens that a bus full of pro´s drive around scotland looking for a place to train but give up and drive home, and this is top league teams.
You really are thick. The SFA have spent loads on developing football for kids in the last 5 years. Rangers have some of the best training facilities in Europe. Hearts have their own superb training facilities and Hibs and Celtic are building their own. The other teams use private high class sports centres and pitches. No buses or driving about looking for a pitch!! How stupid are you?

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They cant afford facilities themselves as an insane rule (even by scottish standards) demanding 10,000 seats for all clubs, forced most clubs into debt funding these structures,many of which have never been used. You couldnt make it up. My favorite is probably Raith Rovers, where just about all seats are behind each goal. A very strange place but of course the club knew they only needed the seats to comply with regulations and not to actually use them so built them wherever it fitted best.
All this debt of course rules out that any decent training ground could ever be built or even modest long term talent development could be considered
The 10000 seat rule was a mistake and has been removed.

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2 big rich clubs could make a difference but they are also massively in debt having spent up to 12 million pounds on old norwegian has-beens, money that could have revolutionised scottish training facilities.
Despite constantly going out of europe in the 90´s losing to financially much weaker teams, Rangers believed they only needed to spend more to win.
The fact that they were beaten by teams from small but more balanced leagues where talent could be developed on something as shocking as even fields of grass never seemed to occur to Rangers. They now have excellent training facilities but it has only increased the gap in standards, already the biggest in Europe.
Rangers now have almost no debt, as they have signed a huge deal with JJB. They also have Paul Le Guen as their new manager and £20 million available for transfers. Rangers made mistakes in past, but all clubs do. No other country with 5 million people would have a hope in hell of attracting Paul Le Guen and the players he is about to sign! Celtics debt is £25 million, not that much and far less than most Premiership clubs.

If Scottish football is so bad, then why do we have the 10th best league in Europe, managers like Paul Le Guen and big name international players from around Europe in our league? Look at Danish football, same population size, but it is totally irrelevant compared to Scottish football. Paul Le Guen wouldn't dream of going to a Danish club. Scottish league crowds are almost double Denmarks and our league is the 10th best in Europe, Denmarks is 23rd.

For 5 million people, our league is amazing!! Just look at the link below! 10th best in Europe. No other country with a similar population is above us or even near us -

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2006.html

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From a trully neutral point of view i would say scotland's sporting health is just below average, rugby is getting better but football needs a lot more help, however i dont like making comparisons with scotland and other small nations(especially always quoting population, its no ones fault if people are migrating from scotland) because its part of the Uk and has that safety net to fall back on socially and economically. The sfa however are a bunch of novices.
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From a trully neutral point of view i would say scotland's sporting health is just below average, rugby is getting better but football needs a lot more help, however i dont like making comparisons with scotland and other small nations(especially always quoting population, its no ones fault if people are migrating from scotland) because its part of the Uk and has that safety net to fall back on socially and economically. The sfa however are a bunch of novices.
but football and rugby are just 2 sports out of many. No more or less important than any other sport! The USA is poor at rugby and used to be poor at football, but over the last 100 years has produced some of the best sportsmen/women in the world. A tennis fan takes tennis just as seriously as a football fan takes football!
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What about a ROI/NI joint bid? They're seperated, aren't they? Or a GB bid?
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but football and rugby are just 2 sports out of many. No more or less important than any other sport! The USA is poor at rugby and used to be poor at football, but over the last 100 years has produced some of the best sportsmen/women in the world. A tennis fan takes tennis just as seriously as a football fan takes football!
Dont get me wrong i think sport in scotland is on the way up, i mentioned rugby and football cos they have the highest participation among the population in scotland.
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