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Old July 7th, 2009, 09:25 PM   #881
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oh well , it starts again.....
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Old July 7th, 2009, 09:27 PM   #882
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Erm, people aren't talking s**t when Platini himself has said "maybe" to the possibility of Germany hosting a few games instead of Ukraine and given Ukraine a strict Decemeber deadline to show they can be ready. So calm down please Tomaszz. These discussions are perfectly valid in light of Platini's most recent comments and in light of UEFA's own concern. Bury your head in the sand and shout at anyone who disagrees if you like, but we're discussing reality here whether you like it or not.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #883
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but the thing is its not gonna happen. It will be Ukraine and Poland. maybe ukraine will have less cities, but it will 100% will not be in Germany. The most likely choice will be 4 cities in each country because Ukraine will be ready by the deadline set by Platini.............
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:20 PM   #884
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Let's look at facts here.

For about a year Polish Football Federation didn't even have a counterpart to talk to in Ukraine. Finally late last year they chose people in charge of UEFA 2012 but there was no strategic plan they could follow. About a month ago these people were either fired or resigned. So now nobody is representing Ukraine, nobody is coordination efforts between the two countries and the plan for comprehensive management of UEFA2012 tournament in Ukraine is still not available.

So we hear a news report here or there, some money was granted for this and not for that. It's like putting out fires.

So I ask where is the itemized list of things to do in Ukraine ? Payrolls, people, assignments, tasks etc so we could follow it and assess the progress being made.

Please show it to me so that I can make more informed contribution to this discussion.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #885
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Ukraine have had huge progress in the past few months, we will not let any1 take Euro from us!!!! Not even 4 more Polish cities (So that only Poland hosts the tournament)!!!!
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:50 PM   #886
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Old July 8th, 2009, 01:27 AM   #887
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Old July 8th, 2009, 01:44 AM   #888
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Wow! I didnt know that my own opinion would be so controversial(especially among polish users- damn!). I dont know if you guys have an ukrainian descent/roots but for me only the business of my country is the most important thing.I dont give a s**t about ukraine - I just care about Poland and I think it would be better to organize such a huge competition without country that can only disgrace all of our efforts.
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It's called nationalism with a lump of arrogance.
Interest of our country being most important doesn't exclude respect for others. While you just seem to like saying "I don't give a shit". If it was up to people like you, there would be no Euro 2012 bid in the first place. Thankfully, others took the chance.

You could also bear in mind that compared to Austria and Switzerland our Polish efforts in terms of infrastructure may also be seen as a disgrace. So what, not give any major tournaments to less developed countries just for the sake of not risking at all?
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Old July 8th, 2009, 02:25 AM   #889
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I bet that if the red army had lost to the nazi's in WW2, then Ukraine would have been much more developed, but then we would be speaking german, and probably Ukraine would have had a different name by now. If we were under German control, our infrastructure we have been really modern and there wouldn't be any problems like these one's.
OMG.. What a shame to be so dumb and ignorant.. Nazi fan.

A Red Flag was on Reichstag on 9 May, 2 weeks before Germany, as expected, could ingeneer and use nuclear bomb. If Nazi Germany would have won, you would not even be borned, dumb crazy freak... OMG..

Stop this absurd and nonsence. Learn history and educate yourself, if you can. The reason why Ukraine is in **** is chaos in political sphere - battle between US puppet Ushenko (who have 2% rating) and Ukrainian oligarchs. Usual people simply losing in this battles.
Oh yeah. Of course you don't know that Russia already gave credit to Ukraine under 0%.

You are here ONLY for creating hate between Russia and Ukraine. Such dumb idiots are the source of constant nonsence, of glorification of nazism in Ukraine, glorification of traitors Bandera, Mazepa.. It's simple to brainwash young generation for own political interests and to create conflict between 2 brother nations. But you will FAIL, remember it. Centuries of friendship and common history, culture are stronger than 5 years of rewriting the history. The TRUTH is always stronger. Remember it, kid.

Moderators. Delete this nonsence of Nmaister, because it's a shame of humanity and have nothing with thread, just another poor provocation of typical liar.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 02:32 AM   #890
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I bet that if the red army had lost to the nazi's in WW2, then Ukraine would have been much more developed, but then we would be speaking german, and probably Ukraine would have had a different name by now. If we were under German control, our infrastructure we have been really modern and there wouldn't be any problems like these one's.
let me correct this... I think you meant that without the communism in Ukraine (for over 75 years), Our country would be a very rich which I 100% agree, but IDont think that with Nazis Ukraine would be better now
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Old July 8th, 2009, 04:02 AM   #891
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we are here to talk about Poland and Ukraine preparing for the EURO.
can somebody delete poxuy post since it dosnt have anything to do with the EURO 2012. why do you go ranting about brotherhood of russia and ukraine and rewriting of history and blah blah on here.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 10:01 AM   #892
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Wow! I didnt know that my own opinion would be so controversial(especially among polish users- damn!). I dont know if you guys have an ukrainian descent/roots but for me only the business of my country is the most important thing.I dont give a s**t about ukraine - I just care about Poland and I think it would be better to organize such a huge competition without country that can only disgrace all of our efforts.
cheers!
if we are talking about politics and business - stronger Ukraine means stronger Poland - we are in one region, closely connected. Ukraine's success will be also ours, and vice versa.
I keep my thumbs for Euro2012 on 8 stadiums, together in Poland and Ukraine.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 12:49 PM   #893
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Old July 8th, 2009, 12:57 PM   #894
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Wow, that should be interesting, do you know when??? and what date???
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Old July 8th, 2009, 12:57 PM   #895
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If need be, Poland can host the tourney on it's own, indeed cities like Krakow (which was not chosen to host a game) have continued their preparations in case they would be needed (suggested stadia from the Polish section):
Bialystok (2009-2011):



Zabrze - Allianz Gornik Arena (2010-2011):



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Kielce stadium for 15k could be temporary expanded twice the size like it was in Klagenfurt or Innsbruck.


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Old July 8th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #896
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Wow, that should be interesting, do you know when??? and what date???
he can in September and he can in towards the end of the year
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Old July 8th, 2009, 01:23 PM   #897
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Old July 8th, 2009, 02:06 PM   #898
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if we are talking about politics and business - stronger Ukraine means stronger Poland - we are in one region, closely connected. Ukraine's success will be also ours, and vice versa.
I keep my thumbs for Euro2012 on 8 stadiums, together in Poland and Ukraine.
Sorry but I have to write that: TY PISiorze!
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Old July 8th, 2009, 04:59 PM   #899
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Bialystok, Kielce organising Euro 2012 is a completely unrealistic script.
At the moment finish this idiotic discussion, let us wait by the November. At present it looks like the quarrel of two tabloids from Poland and of Ukraine.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 08:27 PM   #900
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