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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:03 PM   #81
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do you guys think 115 million euros is not enough for greece to spend?
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Old July 18th, 2005, 11:15 PM   #82
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Well here is the thing..... 2 stadiums are 100% complete and need no work. 4 of the proposed stadiums only need expansion (whether it be adding stands with extra tiers or lowering the pitch and adding stands). The other two new stadiums, will be privately funded up to 20,000 seats, and then the extra will come form the comitee to serve the 30,000 UEFA requirements. So 115 million seems about right, although this is by no means a set figure yet.


Actually, I don't even think the final bid is final, even though officially it "is". If you notice he gives some thing about "substitute" stadiums, by this I think he means, if we can work out deals with both Panathinaikos and PAOK, they will be included, but we cannot garuntee they will be. So IMO I think in the end we will see them and this bid change. All in due time though.....
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Old July 19th, 2005, 03:01 AM   #83
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I never really thought about it, but here are all the stadiums that have hosted and will host a final in a major tournament since 2000 to 2008:


De Kuip (no track) - Euro 2000




Yokohama International Stadium (track) - WC 2002






Da Luz (no track) - Euro 2004






Olympia Stadion (track) - WC 2006






Ernst Happel Stadion (track) - EURO 2008



Christos, UEFA allows only two o f 8 stadiums with track. This situation is different at the WC. However if we looked at EURO 2000, we can see only Bursels stadium with track. For 2004 there was not any sigle track. For 2008 one stadium with track will be used.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 03:16 AM   #84
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Okay , I will say my opnion, but I hope some friends don't get angry with me. I think joint bids have no chance. UEFA doesn't look warm anymore. Also both joint bids have some handicapes both in experience and geographical reasons (for transportation)... Azerbaijan and Romania have no chance either.

My favourites are Russia, Turkey, Greece and Italy.

But in those four country, Italy is a little bit diferent than others. Because although she is able to organize such an event, Italy doesn't seem caring so much. They decleared old stadiums once more that these stadiums have been used for WC 1990. Also Italy will host Winter Olympics. So, they don't seem so willing actually, because they don't add a new excitment UEFA wants and needs. This is why UEFA won't care of Italy either.

Greece has oganization experience, also has the complexes UEFA wanted for the candiature. Also Greece is the last European Champion and that means it is a new football country. UEFA can look at them warmly.

Turkey has complexes and organization experience too (maybe you missed the situation but, although Turkey didn't host a big torunement yet, organizated and will host many important sport events and tournements so far). Turkey is a football nation too. And last CL final added some new impression to UEFA. Plus, top men of UEFA support Turkey. Don't forget that vice president of UEFA is a Turk ad some Turks are taking place in the UEFA with some duties. This is an advantage of course, but not guarantee.

Russia is my favourite. Because UEFA knows that Russians can do it very well. Russia spends much money for football. And Russian leangue wants to be one of the important major leagues. And don't forget that CSK took the last UEFA Cup and this shows how serious Russia is. So Russia is a good investigation for football rulers.

However, the one who works better will win. It is important to step forward betwen equals. And for me, one of Greece, Turkey and Russia will win. But the one who works harder.... Nothing is guarantee for those 3 now. Time and thier efforts will show everything....
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Old July 19th, 2005, 04:11 AM   #85
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Why Russia?
Moscow-Luzhniki 80.600 ppl.



Moscow- Lokomotiv 30.979 ppl


St. Petersburg-S.M. Kirov 72.000 ppl


Why Greece?
Athens-OAKA 76.000 ppl.



Pireas-Karaiskaki 33.336 ppl.


Heraklion-Pankiritiko 33.240. ppl.



Why Turkey?
Istanbul- Olympic stadium 80.579 ppl.



Istanbul-Fenerbahçe, Şükrü Saracoğlu 50.000 ppl


Izmir- 63.000 ppl
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Old July 19th, 2005, 06:33 PM   #86
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lol i like how you done the Whys like i did in the other thread

Good job at finding the pics.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 06:39 PM   #87
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My post from Eastern Europe Forums:

I say Greece Italy and Turkey

Why Greece?:
a) Greece has stadiums from the recent Athens Olympics.
b) Greece has the economic capacity to go through with the largest euro
c) Greece has shown with the Athens Games it is fully capable of hosting a major event breaking many records.
d) Greece is a small cosy country in terms of area. It also has a very reliable transport network and road network. It will be extreamly easy for tourists.
e) Greece has the second highest amount of tourists for a bid city. (15 mill a year)
around 10 million tourists are in greece in the july months!
f) Very good bid. Planning to spend hundreads of millions on the stadiums alone.

Why Italy?:
a) Strong economy and many previous usable stadiums.
b) Most visited country in the bids. Attendance wont be a problem.
c) Good bid in process.
d) Adequate transport network

Why Turkey?:
a) Has a few Stadiums
b) Solid Economy
c) large city = many spectators
d) possibly helped by CL Final
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Old July 19th, 2005, 07:08 PM   #88
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Why Greece?:
a) Greece has stadiums from the recent Athens Olympics.
b) Greece has the economic capacity to go through with the largest euro
c) Greece has shown with the Athens Games it is fully capable of hosting a major event breaking many records.
d) Greece is a small cosy country in terms of area. It also has a very reliable transport network and road network. It will be extreamly easy for tourists.
e) Greece has the second highest amount of tourists for a bid city. (15 mill a year)
around 10 million tourists are in greece in the july months!
f) Very good bid. Planning to spend hundreads of millions on the stadiums alone.
I don't want to hurt you but don't you think that:
- the money spent by Greece (and other EU countries...) for Athens 2004 is enough ?
- Greece should build more motorways and HSR instead of stadiums ?
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Old July 19th, 2005, 07:48 PM   #89
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We will be spending very little on the stadiums. I believe Portugal spent some 600 million Euros on their stadiums, in comparison we are planning to spend 115 million. Infastructure and Transportation are there (we are/have built motorways) and won't be to much of a problem. All new stadiums will be mainly privately funded by the clubs who will play in them after the tournament.

4 clubs are planning on building new stadiums with or without a Euro, so either way it has no huge effect on public economy.


It really is a win - win situation for us if we get it. We are ready and the situation (some club teams needing new stadiums) is perfect timing.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 09:47 PM   #90
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Christos, the same situation is for Turkey too. Both countries need 5 more stadiums, and those stadiums will be used after the torunement. We will see what will happen... The one who works harder will win...
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Old July 19th, 2005, 10:02 PM   #91
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EUR 115m for Greece to build/upgrade 6 stadiums to European Championship standard? In comparison, 2 stadiums in London currently under construction will cost a combined total in excess of EUR 1500m (1.5 billion Euros). Seems like a bargain.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 10:39 PM   #92
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I hope Poland/Ukraine gets it. I'm probably not going to be alive by the time we finally get the Olympics, so It'd be nice to see something coming to Poland. As much as I like the other candidates like Italy and Greece, they already had their chance to host big gaming events.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 11:45 PM   #93
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EUR 115m for Greece to build/upgrade 6 stadiums to European Championship standard? In comparison, 2 stadiums in London currently under construction will cost a combined total in excess of EUR 1500m (1.5 billion Euros). Seems like a bargain.

I don't know if it is the amount for 4 stadiums or for 6, I know two new ones will be mainly privately funded so I don't know if they are included in this figure, but still what you say is correct.


I remember reading an article though during Euro 2004, Portugal spent 600 million (euro) on 10 new stadiums, 3 of them were 5 star state of the art, while the whole Wembley (1 stadium) is around 800 million (if I am correct). Granted the new Wembley will blow any stadium in this world away, but it's amazing to think about....


Here, I actually found the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3770309.stm
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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:03 AM   #94
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I hope Poland and Ukraine get to host the Euro 2012 but i doubt it.
IMO Turkey has the best bid and stadiums but also i think Hungary/Croatia have a very good chance.
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I hope Poland and Ukraine get to host the Euro 2012 but i doubt it.
IMO Turkey has the best bid and stadiums but also i think Hungary/Croatia have a very good chance.
why do you think, Turkey has the best bid?
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1)First of all Turkey is a real football crazy nation and you can never go wrong in such a country.
2)Turkish league is getting better every year meaning that there are probably of all country most private investors that are willing to build amazing stadiums.
3)Turkey is a classical summer destination for europeans and Istanbul a huge city
4)Turkey already has 2 amazing stadiums ( of which 1 is for the final (Ataturk Istanbul)? and many are planned with or without Euro(reasons see point no. 2))
5) Large capacity stadiums are planned
6) Transportation is adequate
7) Its in one country ( since the last Euroe is 2 countries) + Uefa internal connections
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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:43 AM   #97
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It's cool because every UEFA commissary coming in Italy say we are the favourite to host EURO 2012...but may be they say the same thing in the other countries probably
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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:46 AM   #98
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actually these are planned stadium for the EURO 2012

1. Atatürk Olimpiyat 80.597 (built, aybe expansion to 90.000-100.000)
2. Izmir Atatürk 60.000 (built, maybe a new roof)
3. FB Sükrü Saracoglu 50.484-52.500 (built)
4. New Stadium in Kayeri 40.000
5. New Stadium in Antalya 38.000
6. New Stadium in Ankara 30.000
7. New Stadium in Konya 30.000
8. New Stadium in Bursa 30.000

other projects:
New Stadium of Besiktas 55.000 (proposed)
New Stadium of Galatasaray 52.000-55.000 (proposed)
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It's cool because every UEFA commissary coming in Italy say we are the favourite to host EURO 2012...but may be they say the same thing in the other countries probably
AS i heard, Italy and Greece are favourites
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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:55 AM   #100
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commissaries are bastard, they go to North Pole and they say "yes North Pole probably will host euro 2012, you have great chances, you are the favourite"...blah blah
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