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Old July 22nd, 2005, 03:45 PM   #121
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Five candidates for EURO 2012


UEFA today announced that five bid dossiers to host the final tournament of the 2012 UEFA European Championship have been submitted to European football's governing body before yesterday's closing date.

Bid deadline
The national associations of Croatia/Hungary (joint bid), Greece, Italy, Poland/Ukraine (joint bid) and Turkey have handed their bid dossiers to UEFA by the stipulated deadline. Russia, Romania and Azerbaijan had previously expressed an interest but have not pursued their bids.

Extensive evaluation
"UEFA is delighted with the interest shown in hosting one of the world biggest sporting events and will now make an extensive evaluation of the dossiers," UEFA said.

December 2006 decision
The UEFA Executive Committee will then reduce the number of candidates to three on 7 November 2005. The final decision on the host(s) of UEFA EURO 2012 will be taken by the Executive Committee in December 2006.


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Old July 22nd, 2005, 04:40 PM   #122
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Five candidates for EURO 2012

Russia, Romania and Azerbaijan had previously expressed an interest but have not pursued their bids.

Interesting Russia did not pursue the bid...
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Old July 22nd, 2005, 05:51 PM   #123
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good, thats one less superpower to worry about

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Old July 23rd, 2005, 12:21 AM   #124
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that must be the Antalya Project (38.000-40.600)



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The following bids have passed preliminary screening:

Italy, Hungary/Croatia, Poland/Ukraine.

Greece and Turkey were excluded.

Final decision will be made on 8th December 2006.
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Old November 8th, 2005, 10:46 PM   #126
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Uefa reveals Euro 2012 shortlist
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Greece won the last European Championship in 2004
Uefa has named a shortlist of three candidates to host the European Championship in 2012.

Italy and joint bids from Croatia/Hungary and Poland/Ukraine made the final list, with the decision on the hosts to be made in December 2006.

European football's governing body rejected bids from Greece and Turkey.

Switzerland/Austria will host the 13th European Championship in 2008, an event which began back in 1960 and has had nine different winners.

Greece were the surprise package of last year's tournament, beating hosts Portugal 1-0 to win their first major football championship.

The first European Championship was won by the USSR, while Germany lead the way with the most number of wins - three.
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Old November 8th, 2005, 11:21 PM   #127
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This voting was clearly flawed. I won't complain about Greece not making the final 3 because we seemed to be just a little more serious about this than Russia. The Croatia-Hungary and Poland-Ukraine bids have some HUGE flaws and it is shocking that both made the final 3, but they both still get more votes than Turkey. Italy pulled a fast one and got rid of their biggest threat which was Turkey. Euro 2008 voting was fixed and now Euro 2012 has us leaving that something similar happened. I feel most sorry for Turkey who had the best stadiums in their bid. What bothers me is that people complain about the Greeks and the Athens Olympics because of biased news stories. Euro 2008 had some HUGE organization problems regarding a stadium in Zurich but no one comes and says that the Swiss are lazy and unorganized people.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:10 AM   #128
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hard luck greece and istanbul....does it mean they not good enough or just not the right hostsfor 2012?
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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:25 AM   #129
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hard luck greece and istanbul....does it mean they not good enough or just not the right hostsfor 2012?
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actually Turkeys bid/presentation was one of the best
its more a political decision

EURO 2012 evaluation report
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Surprising shortlist. I actually expected (like many, perhaps) that the joint bids would be left behind.

I'm sad for Turkey - they were my choice, had great stadia and one of the biggest support levels at the evaluation report. It only missed the shortlist by ONE vote!

Italy was foreseable... wonder if they will really get it in the end.

Greece coming last with only TWO votes is another surprise. Yet it showed low support levels in the report. Perhaps UEFA didn't want it to guarantee the country another period of intense sport facilities renewal? Dunno

Congrats to the joint-bidders! I'm happy in part for Croatia who showed tremendous support and desire to get the hosting rights.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 06:06 AM   #131
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I am completely shocked that Turkey did not make the final 3. This is amazing and is pure BS imo.... They had the 2nd best bid after Italy. I am not suprised we didn't make the top 3. Now, no offense to anyone, but if you read the evaluations reports that were published, it's a downright joke the final 3.... Ukraine/Poland lacked alot of infastructure involved.
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Political dimension
"We made a presentation of the technical evaluation to the Executive Committee, who added the political dimension in taking the decision," said UEFA Chief Executive Lars-Christer Olsson. "We reached a decision in the first ballot. A new dossier should be submitted [by the candidates] to UEFA at the end of May 2006, and now all the site visits will take place. There will be a final decision to appoint the hosts for 2012 in December 2006."

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Mr Olsson said the choice of the joint Poland/Ukraine bid sent a message from the Executive Committee that the possibility of organising the final round in the eastern part of Europe should be assessed. "They are now catching up with the western part, so it makes it possible to organise this kind of big event," said the CEO.

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What kind of stadiums does Italy have? Currently they certainly can't host this kind of event.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:33 PM   #134
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Italy! Its stadiums are the best of all those:
Olympic Stadium- Rome- 82,000





San Siro- Milan- 85,700





Delle Alpi- Torino- 71,000 (its capacity will increase by building seats on the running-track)





San Nicola Stadium- Bari- 58,300



San Paolo Stadium- Napoli- 72,800


Those stadiums are all horribly outdated (except for Milan and even that stadium could use a make over). And the Delle Alpi will get a lower capacity if I remember correctly, since Juve definitely doesn't need an 80,000 seater.
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I am completely shocked that Turkey did not make the final 3. This is amazing and is pure BS imo.... They had the 2nd best bid after Italy. I am not suprised we didn't make the top 3. Now, no offense to anyone, but if you read the evaluations reports that were published, it's a downright joke the final 3.... Ukraine/Poland lacked alot of infastructure involved.
Greece also lacked a lot of infrastructure involved, when it was awarded the 2004 Olympics.

Was that a "downright joke" too?

Are you applying double standards, my Greek friend?

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Greece also lacked a lot of infrastructure involved, when it was awarded the 2004 Olympics.

Was that a "downright joke" too?

Are you applying double standards, my Greek friend?

You have to understand that Athens won 2004 because they didn't win it in 1996 when they were supposed to. Atlanta wrigged the voting then and staged a discrace of an Olympics that everyone seems to forget about. I think that it is fair for us Greeks to at least get to host an event that was created a couple of thousand years ago by Greeks at least every 100 years or so. I would like to think that it's fair for both parties.

As for the Euro 2012 bidding, we did not say that Greece should be there, our argument is that Turkey's bid was better than both the joint-bids and is not in the final 3.
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Those stadiums are all horribly outdated..
please, can anybody says to Kamp that "new" it doesn't necessary mean "good"..

these stadiums could appear "outdated" to naive eyes, but they rapresent unique stadium architectures which made school through the years!
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You have to understand that Athens won 2004 because they didn't win it in 1996 when they were supposed to. Atlanta wrigged the voting then and staged a discrace of an Olympics that everyone seems to forget about. I think that it is fair for us Greeks to at least get to host an event that was created a couple of thousand years ago by Greeks at least every 100 years or so. I would like to think that it's fair for both parties.
Now read carefully what you have to understand.

First, you disqualified the candidacy of Poland/Ukraine for EURO 2012, citing infrastructural underdevelopment of both countries. But then you pushed aside equivalent reservations against Greece's candidacy for the Olympics, stating historical-political reasons, for staging the Games in Greece.

Now, by quoting Turkey's infrastructural advantage over Poland/Ukraine, you are obviously pushing aside the historical-political considerations associated with EURO 2012, which point to Poland's/Ukraine's clear advantage over Turkey.

So, you are effectively applying double standards, my friend.
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Greece also lacked a lot of infrastructure involved, when it was awarded the 2004 Olympics.

Was that a "downright joke" too?

Are you applying double standards, my Greek friend?

And who says Athens should have been awarded 2004?


And last time I checked, Athens did struggle with construction. Maybe I am talking from experience, my dear Polish friend?


And how can you compare the Olympics to a Euro? There may be at best only a handful of cities in the world which can handle and have the infastructure available for an Olympic Games without needing major infastructure...


So, unless you pump loads of money into infastructure (hotels + stadiums + transport + facilities + hospitals etc) all at once, do it all in 6 years, and have perfect cooperation between two different countries on the matter, of which one is not in the EU, I think there could be potentially some problems. You will need to pull a Greece, and hope for no delays. If you do, more power to you. But neither Poland nor Ukraine have much experience in hosting these kind of events, so we have nothing to go on. And still my opinion stands, Turkey's bid was more qualified and deserved to be in the final 3 much more than Poland/Ukraine (and Croatia/Hungary for that matter). It's nothing against the two countries, it's just my opinion looking at the evaluations and reports.
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