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Old November 10th, 2005, 09:21 AM   #141
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But neither Poland nor Ukraine have much experience in hosting these kind of events, so we have nothing to go on. And still my opinion stands, Turkey's bid was more qualified and deserved to be in the final 3 much more than Poland/Ukraine (and Croatia/Hungary for that matter). It's nothing against the two countries, it's just my opinion looking at the evaluations and reports.
It's rather impossible to gain whatever experience in hosting these kind of events, if one has never been awarded such events so far. The political reasons for Poland's and Ukraine's discrimination in this regard in past decades, are obvious for you too, at least - they should be, if you know Europe's history.

Also, current political-historical considerations, evidently give Poland/Ukraine advantage over Turkey, as regards Euro 2012. UEFA made no secret of that.

And don't worry too much about our infrastructure, my friend. Once awarded the games, both countries will cope with necessary investments within 6 years. As Greece or Portugal did, some time ago.

Further discussion is pointless, since you are biased.

I only have one advice for you, my Greek friend:

It's high time you accepted the fact that the Iron Curtain is no longer there. Europe's not divided anymore into "first-" and "second-class" nations, as it used to be for a long time after WW II. Poland and Ukraine are no longer communist satellite states, they are back in Europe's and world's international stage in all domains, sports hosting included. Hence they enjoy all the rights you attribute to the (formerly) "better" Europe.

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Old November 10th, 2005, 12:39 PM   #142
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Thera are only three bids in game so say which will win. And why
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Old November 10th, 2005, 02:01 PM   #143
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Poland Ukraine. Its just time thats all.
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Old November 10th, 2005, 04:57 PM   #144
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Well, I see you have some kind of raving complex here, you sound just as bad as some of the Greek forumers here with your insecurity.


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It's rather impossible to gain whatever experience in hosting these kind of events, if one has never been awarded such events so far.

True, and thats why normally countries start small and work their way up. Hosting CL or UEFA Cup finals, and the like, and get evaluated and learn in the process. To me, it seems it will be hard to have zero experience AND need alot of infastructure, these are not easy things. Especially when like I said, it's two different countries who must cooperate together in this regard. That complicates it more. Whats so wrong with that?


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I only have one advice for you, my Greek friend:

It's high time you accepted the fact that the Iron Curtain is no longer there. Europe's not divided anymore into "first-" and "second-class" nations, as it used to be for a long time after WW II. Poland and Ukraine are no longer communist satellite states, they are back in Europe's and world's international stage in all domains, sports hosting included. Hence they enjoy all the rights you attribute to the (formerly) "better" Europe.

Man, come off it. Where was I going on about any of this stuff? Who said Europe is divided? And who said you don't enjoy any of the rights of formely "better" Europe? Last time I checked, I didn't know Turkey was included in that. Because I feel they got jipped and should have been in the final 3, it means I have some kind of biased against eastern and former soviet/communist block nations? Well, even if Turkey was included, I had already stated I didn't think the Greek bid was good enough to make it, so that means one of the bids from eastern europe would, which I thought was going to be Croatia/Hungary from the evaluation report. So there goes the whole theory right there... I seriously don't get how you can gather all of those things from the simple fact that I thought Turkey had a better bid and I thought was strong enough to make the final 3? (and this is coming from a GREEK, speaking of bias.......)
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Old November 10th, 2005, 06:17 PM   #145
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lets not make this forum about greece they didnt make it move on....good luck poland ukraine..
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Old November 10th, 2005, 08:52 PM   #146
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Italy.
Football tradition, resources, stadia, development, hotels...
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Old November 10th, 2005, 08:59 PM   #147
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They should really give it to Poland/Ukraine because its time that any eastern european countries should host an event like this. Italy has hosted both euros and world cup in the past and I think that Poland/Ukraine can do it if they really want. And Poland by the way does have a really good soccer history. 2 third place finishes in WC, this will be their 7th appearance and they have a few olympic medals to add to that.
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Old November 10th, 2005, 09:27 PM   #148
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Poland- Ukraine sounds interesting.
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Old November 10th, 2005, 09:40 PM   #149
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We aren't discussing Greece Mo, do you even read the posts??
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Old November 11th, 2005, 03:54 PM   #150
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Stadiums of Italy are pretty ugly, but a BIG capacity, so Italy.

UK's stadiums are the best!
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Old November 11th, 2005, 07:41 PM   #151
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Poland and Ukraine ... but I would really love to see it in scandinavia (N, S and DK)....
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Old November 11th, 2005, 11:10 PM   #152
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There should be 5 new stadiums in Poland by 2012.





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Old November 12th, 2005, 01:25 AM   #153
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Italy of course... Turkey and Greece are eliminated for guranteeing the Italian victory... Actually other bis should have been rejected from the beginning but, they have been needed for Italian victory... even UEFA Organizations commitee preesident Olsen said at the press conferance that their decision were poltical. When journalist asked more, he sad he doesn't want to say more.
Both Ukraine-Poland and Crotatia Hungary don't even have UEFA criterians.
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Old November 12th, 2005, 01:41 AM   #154
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Poland and Ukraine ... but I would really love to see it in scandinavia (N, S and DK)....
way to hard to plan, and to much travel for the players....Forget it, untill we can do it ourselfs....My vote goes to Poland- Ukraine....
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Old November 12th, 2005, 04:50 PM   #155
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The choice is clear - Italy.
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Old November 13th, 2005, 06:58 AM   #156
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PL AND Ukraine deserve it and they are ready, plus they both have good squads
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Old November 13th, 2005, 10:59 AM   #157
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Italy of course... Turkey and Greece are eliminated for guranteeing the Italian victory... Actually other bis should have been rejected from the beginning but, they have been needed for Italian victory... even UEFA Organizations commitee preesident Olsen said at the press conferance that their decision were poltical. When journalist asked more, he sad he doesn't want to say more.
Both Ukraine-Poland and Crotatia Hungary don't even have UEFA criterians.
Thats so true. Croatia + Hungry over Turkey or Greece? Err, no.

Go Italia!
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Old November 13th, 2005, 11:05 AM   #158
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Obviously Italy...BUT, the other countries participating have to have the chance to develop their ifrastructure, stadiums etc. I think the least developed countries must have the games...Hey, it will help for an equally developed Europe this way...think about it...don't get me wrong.
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Old November 13th, 2005, 11:14 AM   #159
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This is Football. I couldn't care less about an equally developed Europe at this stage. I want top quality football in a top quality location....In other words,

Italia 2012.
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Old November 13th, 2005, 12:31 PM   #160
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I'm supprized how little devolpment(2 new 30,000 stadia) of new stadiums their actually is in the Italian bid, espeically as many Italian clubs seem interested in it at the moment. Really how much can the likes of the Olympico be refusbished?
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