FRANCE | Urban Transport Compilation

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by Falubaz

OMG!




This is a joke right?
But it's not the 1st april. Wtf?


As for Rennes: let us see more pictures!

Those are really, REALLY ugly!

[thib8500]

Ok, that's not the most beautiful front I've ever seen, but that's not that ugly.

[Chusanch]

Well, I don't know whether it is ugly or not.. but let's put it this way... In my list of nice ones, it would be... right at the bottom...

[Minato ku]

Originally Posted by Minato ku

Platform can allow 4 cars trains but there isn't enouth cars to do this.
Anyway they have a solution for increasing capacity inside the train.

I been in Lyon during christmass I took it.
The new interior is much better.

New


Old

[thib8500]

Wow ! What time was it and which station was it ? It's so strange to see line D almost empty.

[Minato ku]

Valmy at 6 pm.
It was quite crowded between Bellecour and Saxe Gambetta.

[thib8500]

Yes, that's why the SYTRAl thinks about buying new 3 cars metros for line D and 4 cars automatic ones for line B.

Métro : le Sytral prépare l’automatisation de la ligne B

Le prolongement à Oullins est l’occasion de préparer l’avenir. Les nouvelles rames automatiques n’apparaîtront pas avant 2015

Le métro lyonnais, à l’instar de son grand frère parisien, arrive-t-il à saturation pendant certaines tranches horaires? Le phénomène se fait déjà sentir lors des pointes les plus extrêmes, et la hausse régulière de la fréquentation des transports en commun dans leur ensemble va l’accentuer.
La modernisation des lignes de l’Ouest lyonnais qui se connectent à Gorge-de-Loup avec la ligne D va amener par exemple à cette dernière de nouveaux clients.
Il est prévu que le renouveau des lignes TER de l’Ouest lyonnais double le nombre de leurs voyageurs qui alimenteront aussi le réseau TCL.
C’est un exemple frappant qui s’inscrit dans une tendance plus générale touchant l’ensemble des lignes du réseau de transport urbain.
Le Sytral doit donc désormais non seulement continuer à développer le réseau TCL, mais apporter également des réponses pour l’avenir en termes de capacité.
Dans le cadre du renouvellement des bus, les articulés ont le vent en poupe, la question de l’allongement des lignes de tram se pose aussi.
Côté métro, les priorités ciblées consistent à ajouter un quatrième wagon aux rames de la ligne A, et un troisième à celles de la ligne D.
Mais le métro A a une technologie de plus de trente ans, et cet ajout ne va pas sans générer de grands problèmes techniques.
Le Sytral vient donc de décider de résoudre plusieurs problèmes simultanément, en prévoyant à l’occasion du prolongement de la ligne B (Charpennes/Gerland) l’intégration d’un pilotage automatique sur celle-ci... pour l’avenir.
Ce dernier ne sera pas effectif lors de l’arrivée prévue du métro à Oullins fin 2013. Mais tout sera prêt lors de l’acquisition de nouvelles rames pour la ligne B envisagées à l’horizon 2015. C’est alors que cette ligne deviendra automatique. Ce choix technologique a un surcoût de l’ordre de 20 millions d’euros, par rapport à une solution d’adaptation nécessaire mais plus basique, sans automatisation.
Mais outre la souplesse et l’efficacité qu’elle va apporter pour la gestion de cette ligne, le fait de grouper la commande de wagons supplémentaires pour la ligne D avec les nouvelles rames de la B doit permettre d’obtenir des prix plus attractifs sur ce matériel. Ce choix apporte aussi la réponse à la saturation de la ligne A qui gagnera un quatrième wagon à ses rames en récupérant celles en service sur la ligne B et de même génération.
En attendant ces bouleversements, les rames de la ligne D voient leur aménagement progressivement modifié pour être plus accueillantes.
François Samard
fsamard@leprogres.fr

Source : Leprogres.fr - 23 décembre 2008

[Minato ku]

Yeh when I was in Lyon I saw it, my grand father read Le Progres newspaper.
The line B could become driverless for the extention to Oullins.

The line B was also quite busy between Charpennes and Saxe Gambetta especially between Part Dieu and Saxe Gambetta.

[thib8500]

Actually, it would become driverless after the extension to Oullins (about 2 years later). Anyway, apart line C, which is too short to be very attractive, the whole métro is busy. Line D must have more than 300 000 pax a day for only 12.5 km, line A has about 260 000 for 9.3 km and line B has about 150 000 for 6.2 km.
That's the same thing for the tram network, and the SYTRAL is to buy new modules for T1 an T2.

[Minato ku]

Saint Etienne

I find the article of Wikipedia quite great, better in english than in french.

The Tramway de Saint-Étienne is a Tram system in the French city of Saint-Étienne, France, its particularity is that is has functionned non stop since its opening in 1881. The first tramway line was steam operated and was opened by the Chemins de Fer à Voie étroite de Saint-Étienne on 4 December 1881, it stretched for 5.5 km between La Terrasse and Bellevue. The CFVE took over the Compagnie des Tramways Electriques de Saint-Étienne lines and steam was last used in 1912. Lines with small patronage were replaced by trolleybuses in 1932 with all but one line closed in 1956 due the impossibility to run trolleybuses on the busiest line of network. The decision to keep the tramway in the 1950s saw the introduction of the famous PCC tramcars to replace 1932 rolling stock and the Vevey-Alsthom tramcars in 1991-1992. The system is operated by the STAS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramway...t-%C3%89tienne

Two lines
37 stations
11.6 km.










http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...a_Terrasse.jpg

[ssiguy2]

I still understand what "VAL" is. Is it the same as Vancouver's SkyTrain?

[deasine]

Originally Posted by ssiguy2

I still understand what "VAL" is. Is it the same as Vancouver's SkyTrain?

You mean you don't understand?

VAL, which stands for Véhicule Automatique Leger (sorry my french is rusty... so I swear I'm missing an accent somewhere), uses rubber-tired automated vehicles unlike conventional motor vehicles (i.e. Docklands LRV) or linear propulsion vehicles (i.e. SkyTrain).

VAL and Bombardier ART (SkyTrain) share many similarities as they are more of an intermediate capacity system (in between Trams/LRT or low capacity and heavy rail or high capacity).

CDGVAL:


Rennes Metro:


Toulouse Metro:


Orlyval Metro:

[Augusto]

Originally Posted by deasine

VAL, which stands for Véhicule Automatique Leger (sorry my french is rusty... so I swear I'm missing an accent somewhere), uses rubber-tired automated vehicles unlike conventional motor vehicles (i.e. Docklands LRV) or linear propulsion vehicles (i.e. SkyTrain).

Linear propulsion? I thought that the Skytrain was using the same rolling stock than Kuala Lumpur Putra line. And the propulsion is not linear there.

[Trisuno]

Originally Posted by thib8500

Yes, that's why the SYTRAl thinks about buying new 3 cars metros for line D and 4 cars automatic ones for line B.

Only 3 cars for the line D? That's not enough! The 2 actual cars are way not sufficient regarding to the frequentation.... and to add just one new car will not slove the congestion of line D during the peak hours! As more and more people use this line daily, they should at least think of 4 cars train!

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Augusto

Linear propulsion? I thought that the Skytrain was using the same rolling stock than Kuala Lumpur Putra line. And the propulsion is not linear there.

From Bombardier's Website:

Technological Innovation

ART’s revolutionary Linear Induction Motor (LIM) propulsion system enables fully automated driverless train operation. It consistently delivers in excess of 30,000 passengers per hour, per direction, around the clock, in all weather conditions.

[KB]

Originally Posted by m@rco

These photos are very recent, are they yours ?

A map of the tram's network, eight cities are served:


More photos of Grenoble here:
http://snotag.free.fr/phototheque/#album=26

Do you have any information about the plans of an extension of tram D and/or a possible tram E?

[disturbman]

you should try your luck here. They have all the good informations but in french. I guess that's not really an issue for you. But if I'm guessing wrong I will try to give you some explanation.

[Lijman]

Does Marseille have a suburban rail system? My video of the TGV to Paris shows the train passing three stations before the start of the LGV Méditerranée, one being La Canet I think. I forget the names of the other two. All three stations looked very rundown though, as if they were abandoned - mostly just bare platforms, no seats or shelter and few buildings.

[disturbman]

I'm not very informed about it but Marseille, like allmost every city, have some kind of suburban rail system. The thing is this system is part of something called TER (Transport Express Régional) that is a medium, and short, distance passenger rail service. You can take it to make suburban connection or intercity connection (like Marseille-Lyon or Marseille-Nice). It's really in between.

In the case of Marseille there is several lines radiating from the city. For exemple the line between Marseille and Aix-en-Provence (31 minutes) is concidered as TER but is more suburban than anything else.

But was are far from Metro and light rail service.

[Augusto]

Originally Posted by Lijman

Does Marseille have a suburban rail system? My video of the TGV to Paris shows the train passing three stations before the start of the LGV Méditerranée, one being La Canet I think. I forget the names of the other two. All three stations looked very rundown though, as if they were abandoned - mostly just bare platforms, no seats or shelter and few buildings.

Those stations are not abandoned but Marseille has unfortunately some of the poorest and roughest housing estate areas you can find in France. Some of them are located next to the railway. And of course vandalism is a big issue there. During the upgrading of the Aix-Marseille suburban line material and tools were stolen everyday. In the newly opened stations between Aix and Marseille the ticketing machines don't take coins, only cards, to avoid vandalism.