FRANCE | Urban Transport Compilation

[thib8500]

Lyon has 4 tram lines today, and about 47 km of infrastructure.

[paF4uko]

Here's the actual metro/tram/cristalis map of Lyon with the new T4 line:



There's a planned extension of T4 to Gare Part-Dieu Villette, where's actually situated one of T3's terminuses.

[Svartmetall]

Makes you realise that Lyon has a more extensive rail based transit system that one would be first led to believe. It looks to be a well connected network too with lots of interchanges between lines.

[thib8500]

And the network is still quickly expanding (before 2014)
the B metro line will be 1.7 km longer in 2013 (in the south, crossing the Rhône river)
the T4 tram line will be extended to IUT Feyssine via Part-Dieu
T1 will be extended to metro B Debourg
a T2 bis is going to be constructed between Les Alizées and Eurexpo
a short T3 bis (1km) to go to the new 60 000 seats stadium
an express tram line using T3 rail continuing to the airport is going to be in service next year.

http://www.sytral.fr/152.0.html

The "RER" is also improving :
a new station in Jean Macé (métro B and T2) will be in service in december
double tracking west lines and new tram-train cars.

[paF4uko]

Originally Posted by thib8500

The "RER" is also improving :
a new station in Jean Macé (métro B and T2) will be in service in december
double tracking west lines and new tram-train cars.

Never heard of this! I only know that they are improving the train service for the western suburbs from Gare de Lyon-Saint-Paul.
So what are they going to do exactly on Jean Macé? Build a RER station over the train viaduct leading to Lyon - Perrache?

[thib8500]

The station is almost finished, actually. It's on the viaduc just behind the tram station.

http://www.lahaltejeanmace.com/content.cfm?id=126

[paF4uko]

Just like I thought... Thanks! Last time I went to Jean Macé was 2 months ago, but anyway I don't think I could see the construction works from the tram station...

P.S: Now I see there were serious works in 2007!!!

[Minato ku]

RER or S-Bahn is a bit exagerated, it is still a regional train (TER) with improved service.

[thib8500]

Frequencies are better than Bruxelles' RER, and interstation is very short. So, what's the difference with a S-Bahn ?

[Minato ku]

For me a RER or a S-Bahn is a system with at least a trains every 10 minutes (6tph) in the central section in rush hours.

When you speak of RER or S-Bahn people imagine a thing like Paris RER, underground central section with high frequencies.
Lyon or Brussel (RER) are far to this, these cities propose an improved regional train system (called TER in France).

[thib8500]

Originally Posted by Minato ku

For me a RER or a S-Bahn is a system with at least a trains every 10 minutes (6tph) in the central section in rush hours.

For you, but many RER or S-Bahn are not like that. Paris is not THE prototype !

I don't think people imagine a central tunel when speaking about RER. A tunel is only necessary when stations are not linked, that is not the case in Lyon.

[Minato ku]

Paris is the only RER system existing, so Paris can be see as the prototype of the RER.

Lille Val was opened in 1983, it is the fourth oldest metro system France and the first driverless
The network has 45.2 km and 60 stations, it is the second largest metro system in France.

[m@rco]

Originally Posted by Minato ku

Paris is the only RER system existing, so Paris can be see as the prototype of the RER.

RER only means "Regional Express Network" and not "The most powerful rapid transit system in the world that only exists in Paris" and moreover I'm not sure that this name is trademarked.
On the other hand, thib8500 used quotes when he spoke about the "RER à la lyonnaise" so it's clear that he wanted to speak about a "RER-like" and not the RER of Paris. Ok he should have use the term "REAL" but who knows what it means ?
You are the first guy to claim that the RER in Paris is not a consistent system (cf your posts on the RER C and D) so how can you say (to summarize): "In my point of view, the RER is like this" ?
To conclude, as you know the name of the TER in Ile de France is "Transilien" and for your information SNCF part of the RER is included under the term "Transilien" so the RER is only a TER (oh what a shame like "in province") !


More info about the regional netwok of Lyon:
http://www.urbalyon.org/sip6Internet...&numFiche=2660

[Plaistow]

I'm hoping to ride the Nice tram next month while on holiday. I'd planned to ride the central section between Gare and Acropolis taking in the beautiful Place Massena, but is it worth riding the whole line from start to finish? How long would it take and is there anything worth seeing at Comte de Falicon, Square Boyer, Saint Roch and Pont Michel etc?

[FabriFlorence]

I'd like to know which is in yours opinion the city with the best metro or light rail system in France (except Paris of course).

[Plaistow]

Originally Posted by FabriFlorence

I'd like to know which is in yours opinion the city with the best metro or light rail system in France (except Paris of course).

I visited Montpelier a few years ago and was very impressed with Line 1, especially the look and livery of the trams. I'm looking forward to one day returning to experiencing Lines 2 and 3.

I'd love to see Lyon's streamlined trams, Marseille's wood-effect trams and visit Rouen, as their first generation of trams remain attractive despite their age.

I also wish London's own tram system in Croydon shared the aesthetics of many of the French trams stops. It's brilliant that French cities put design at the heart of the system - they care what a tram stop, tram or overhead wire pole looks like.

[Tramwayman]

DEFINATELY FOR ME mARSEILLE TRAM IS THE BEST BECAUSE OF BEAUTY NOTHING MORE

[thib8500]

Originally Posted by FabriFlorence

I'd like to know which is in yours opinion the city with the best metro or light rail system in France (except Paris of course).

If you consider frequenting, metro in Lyon is by far the best, with more than 700 000 p/d with only 31 km of infrastructures.

[alexilyon]

REAL means Réseaux Express de l'Aire urbaine Lyonnaise.

there is a page wikipedia in english but without lots of details. The french page is richer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9...aine_Lyonnaise

there are also here the projects of Sytral http://www.sytral.fr/152.0.html and here the transports in The region of Lyon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpo...%C3%B4ne-Alpes

[Minato ku]

Lille also have a tramway system of two lines
Unlike most other french cities, this is not a new system (even if heavily modernized in early 1990's)
These lines (before a part of a much larger system) were build in 1909

22 km
36 station