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Old January 12th, 2011, 02:02 PM   #3621
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Old January 12th, 2011, 02:07 PM   #3622
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That was unexpected! Soon we can spot KE, EK, and SQ A380s in HKG!
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Old January 12th, 2011, 03:41 PM   #3623
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As I stated before, Lufthansa will also send their A380 to HKG at the end of March, a daily LH738/9, well ahead of KE, however no further news on that, finger crossed it will happen.....
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Old January 13th, 2011, 09:16 AM   #3624
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HACTL hits record air cargo tonnage in 2010

Hong Kong Air Cargo Terminals Limited (Hactl) handled a record-breaking 2,899,603 tonnes last year, a year-on-year growth of almost 25 percent.

The rapid recovery of air freight saw the terminal blow through pre-crisis throughput levels, handling an incredible 14.5 percent more cargo than in 2008 and even beating the 2007 high of 2.6 million tonnes.

"2010 has been an extraordinary year of roller coaster recovery from the global economic downturn," said Lilian Chan, executive director of Hactl.

"Not only did our annual tonnage result reach pre-crisis level, but we also managed to achieve a number of new handling records that made 2010 a year of unprecedented success for our team here at Hactl."

In December, a total of 249,694 tonnes were handled, representing a 7.4 percent year-on-year increase over 2009. Tonnage handled in the fourth quarter was 765,677, an increase of 9.5 percent.

"The growth in air freight demand continued all the way through 2010, although we saw a milder growth in the third and fourth quarter due to the higher base effect in the second half of 2009."

Market export demand stayed strong throughout the year as a result of the robust economic recovery. Export tonnage in December showed a year-on-year growth of 4.8 percent, with a total of 132,904 tonnes being handled.

Export tonnage for the fourth quarter was 423,825 tonnes, up 8.5 percent against the same period in 2009. Export volume to Europe and the US for the fourth quarter increased 7.0 percent and 14.5 percent against the same period in 2009 respectively.

Aggregate export tonnage for the whole year reached 1,589,223 tonnes, indicating a year-on-year growth of 28.9 percent.

A total of 65,032 tonnes and 187,046 tonnes of import cargo were handled in December and in the fourth quarter, down 0.5 percent and up one percent respectively against same period in 2009.

With the relatively weaker US currency, import volume from U.S. was picking up quickly throughout the whole year of 2010 - import throughput from U.S. saw a 40.6 percent year-on-year increase compared to the whole year of 2009.

Import volume from Europe in 2010 also showed a year-on-year growth of 24.1 percent. The total import tonnage for the whole year was 741,943 tonnes, up 18.8 percent against 2009.

Transshipment volume for December was 51,758 tonnes, up 28.3 percent against the same month in 2009. Cumulative transshipment tonnage for the fourth quarter was 154,806 tonnes, up 25.1 percent year-on-year. Total transshipment volume for the whole year was 568,437 tonnes, a year-on-year growth of 22 percent.

"Asian carriers are in a strong position as a result of the exploding demand in China where consumer sentiment is high," said Chan.

"With strong prospects for air freight in the region, we are well prepared for another busy year. This year Hong Kong proudly unfolds a new chapter of being the world's No 1 air cargo hub in terms of total air cargo volume handled."

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Old January 13th, 2011, 07:51 PM   #3625
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Roman airport a ruin as Asia takes off

Any individual's observations are limited and subjective, but what you see powerfully affects what you think. On the basis of these observations I would venture three speculations. First, Europe struggles to find the money it needs for its infrastructure. Second, many elements of daily life are wildly over-regulated. And third, a combination of high wage levels and taxation makes labour too expensive and leads to understaffed and poorly performing service industries, combined with high unemployment.
It all comes down to money - Europe doesn't have it and Asia does. Europe has expensive labor, Asia doesn't. Until some other country takes over China with a strong industrial base, Asia will have limitless opportunities to have better service.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #3626
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It all comes down to money - Europe doesn't have it and Asia does. Europe has expensive labor, Asia doesn't. Until some other country takes over China with a strong industrial base, Asia will have limitless opportunities to have better service.
Agreed. However, with respect to China's impressive public works projects and infrastructure plans it certainly doesn't hurt their when the regime is neither elected nor accountable to their citizens.

Here in Toronto we have been waiting for many many years (7+) for a city centre to airport high speed train link... but it has been delayed until recently due to citizen protests and environmental assessments. Now finally it is being built and hopefully will be in service by 2015.

Leaving many to "wish" they had a regime like China's that would have built it already.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 03:57 AM   #3627
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Agreed. However, with respect to China's impressive public works projects and infrastructure plans it certainly doesn't hurt their when the regime is neither elected nor accountable to their citizens.

Here in Toronto we have been waiting for many many years (7+) for a city centre to airport high speed train link... but it has been delayed until recently due to citizen protests and environmental assessments. Now finally it is being built and hopefully will be in service by 2015.

Leaving many to "wish" they had a regime like China's that would have built it already.
Well, Beijing clearly realizes infrastructure is key to development, and is needed for such a big and populous country. Others realize that but can't do much because they're tied down by bureaucracy and red tape.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 05:14 AM   #3628
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Well, Beijing clearly realizes infrastructure is key to development, and is needed for such a big and populous country. Others realize that but can't do much because they're tied down by bureaucracy and red tape.
China has those same problems, but in different ways. Everything involving the state is tied down in turf wars between Party officials eager to look good or save face.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 08:32 AM   #3629
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HNA back-door listing plan for offshoot fails
14 January 2011
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HNA Group has failed in its plan to list its aircraft leasing arm after it was unable to conclude a deal to inject more than 70 aircraft into Hong Kong-listed toymaker Lung Cheong International Holdings as part of the back-door listing.

The plan lapsed on Wednesday as the two parties failed to proceed with a formal agreement, according to a filing to the Hong Kong stock exchange by Lung Cheong.

The deal was supposed to turn Lung Cheong into a listing vehicle of HNA's aircraft leasing business as the latter would get the controlling stake in the toy company in return for the asset injection.

Shares in Lung Cheong fell 12.7 per cent to 31 HK cents yesterday.

Aircraft leasing companies have been beefing up their operations as they jostle for a bigger market share on the back of a recovery in the airline industry and growing competition among lessors.

The letter of intent for the back-door listing plan, dated July 12, stated that the agreement would lapse if either HNA or Lung Cheong was not satisfied with the result of the due diligence on HNA's two aircraft leasing companies - Hong Kong Aviation Capital and Hong Kong International Aviation Leasing - or if a formal agreement could not be reached in six months, according to an e-mail from Lung Cheong's public relations agency.

The leasing companies were also required to meet a combined profit guarantee of at least HK$1.3 billion last year, failing which a compensation would be paid to Lung Cheong, according to the preliminary agreement.

Hong Kong Aviation, which acquired 68 aircraft from Allco Finance Group of Australia, planned to double its fleet size by buying US$3 billion to US$4 billion worth of aircraft in 12 to 18 months, chief executive Mathis Shinnick said last year.

It is not known whether the leasing firm is still sticking with its expansion plan or seeking other fund-raising resources. There was no response from Shinnick to a query from the South China Morning Post yesterday.

According to Liu Xiaoyong, the chairman of Hong Kong International Aviation, a much smaller lessor, the derailed listing plan would not affect its expansion plan. The company, which leases aircraft to Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express Airways, increased its fleet to 15 aircraft by acquiring three freighters and three corporate jets in the second half of last year.

HNA, meanwhile, is working on other listing avenues. It is in the process of relaunching the listing plan of Grand China Airlines on the Hong Kong exchange.

Grand China - the holding company of Hainan Airlines, China Xinhua Airlines, Shanxi Airlines and Changan Airlines - had planned to raise US$1 billion from an offering in the city but the plan was shelved because of the financial crisis in 2008.

Hong Kong Airlines, which is controlled by Hainan Airlines, is also mulling plans to raise HK$5 billion in Hong Kong this year.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 09:01 AM   #3630
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Old January 15th, 2011, 04:30 PM   #3631
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It all comes down to money - Europe doesn't have it and Asia does. Europe has expensive labor, Asia doesn't. Until some other country takes over China with a strong industrial base, Asia will have limitless opportunities to have better service.
You could do worse than to research, just as three examples, how much was/is spent on Heathrow Terminal Five, the Munich airport's new Terminal Two and the new Berlin International Airport, before posting such sweeping insights as "...(M)oney - Europe doesn't have it and Asia does".

As far as that article is concerned, perhaps if this journalist had departed from Venice airport, got off at Munich, rented a car and taken to the autobahn/motorway to Amsterdam airport and boarded a plane to, say, Myanmar or Bangladesh, she would have perhaps have reached quite different conclusions about "Europe" and "Asia" and their infrastructures.
But no, he/she takes a European airline with a less than stellar reputation for service, transfers at one European Airport, and arguably the best Asian airport, throws in three grand other Asian airports for good measure, and uses that as a basis for musings about how economies work with or without regulation and seeing a new world order emerge.
And while at it, why not throw in some mocking of the Italian accent of the hotel employee.

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Old January 15th, 2011, 10:16 PM   #3632
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From my perspective, HKG also has a pretty high labour cost & maintenance cost, I don't think cost is the major factor contributing to the inefficiency of the western airports. I blame it on 2 reasons.

Most of the western airports were planned & built on the early years, as a result, they are much more outdated than asian airports in terms of infrastructure. When the authorities realised the airports couldn't cope with the traffic growth, instead of "starting all over" by building a new airport elsewhere with a better planning for future growth, they decided to expand the current airport in order to save cost & time. The result is a multiple terminals & concourses scattered all over the place, forming a functional disaster for both airlines, airport staffs & the passengers.

These "afterthoughts" often aren't part of the original master plan, therefore they may not run as efficient as they are supposed to. In order to hurdle the technical issues on building these additional infrastructures that aren't suppose to be built there, passengers' needs & comfort might not be the priority. As a result, airports with WAY too many terminals, illogical planning, or concourses that shaped like a maze, or with a irregular shape, or an extremely long walking distance, lack of toilets, etc etc....these characteristics are often found on many western airports. Examples are:

JFK----(8 terminals)
CDG----(at least 8 terminals & satellites)
LHR----(5 terminals & satellites)
LAX----(9 terminals!!!)

The 9/11 incident doesn't help either, the added security checks at the terminals only worsen the situation.
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Old January 16th, 2011, 04:31 AM   #3633
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Examples are:

JFK----(8 terminals)
CDG----(at least 8 terminals & satellites)
LHR----(5 terminals & satellites)
LAX----(9 terminals!!!)

The 9/11 incident doesn't help either, the added security checks at the terminals only worsen the situation.
JFK was designed as an airport with anchor airlines having their dedicated terminals.

So was LAX, with terminals built with the shortest cars-to-jets walking distances possible.

CDG Terminal 2 pretty much follows its original masterplan with the modules.

It would not be easy to build HKG at all if it were built today.

Please use more relevant examples to make your point; make sure you know what you are actually talking about.

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Old January 16th, 2011, 06:52 AM   #3634
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I have been to Rome's airport twice, it is definitely old and un-fancy but I did not get a bad impression from it. Singapore and Hong Kong's airports are amazing and two of the best in the world.

The EU has a bigger economy all of East Asia including excluding Japan so don't say Europe does not have money. But in many of the EU countries the vast majority of government spending goes toward social services especially pensions and health care. Health care spending in Western Europe is about 10-12 percent of the economy, China is about 6% and Singapore just 4.3% according to NationMaster.com.
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Old January 16th, 2011, 08:59 AM   #3635
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Old January 16th, 2011, 09:45 AM   #3636
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JFK was designed as an airport with major airlines having their dedicated terminals.

So was LAX, with terminals built with the shortest cars-to-jets walking distances possible.

CDG Terminal 2 pretty much follows its original masterplan with the modules.

It would not be easy to build HKG at all if it were built today.

Please use more relevant examples to make your point; make sure you know what you are actually talking about.
well then obviously their plans didn't work very well, otherwise it wouldn't give me an impression of an afterthoughts, you're right, i didn't check their planning before I said that, it's based on my personal experience a few years ago, & I'm sure a lot of visitors who have been there would agree with me.

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Suspension of Service by Mandala Airlines
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HONG KONG, 13 January 2011 – The Airport Authority (AA) has been advised by the ground handling agent of Mandala Airlines in Hong Kong that the airline is suspending all flight operations with immediate effect.

The AA is advising passengers not to go to Hong Kong International Airport (HKIA) unless they have secured seats with another airline. Passengers with tickets or reservations with Mandala Airlines are advised to contact the airline's call centre at (852) 3179 0777 or by email at [email protected].

Mandala Airlines, which began flying from HKIA on 19 July 2010, operated four weekly flights from Hong Kong to Jakarta every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

Seventy-six passengers were scheduled to depart at 2335hrs tonight on Mandala flight RI841, which has now been canceled.
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HKIA Enjoys Record-breaking Year in 2010
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HONG KONG, 16 January 2011 – Hong Kong International Airport (HKIA) announced it has set new annual records in each of its three traffic categories in 2010. During the year, passenger traffic grew to 50.9 million, a 10.3% increase over 2009; cargo increased 23.4% to 4.1 million tonnes; and air traffic movements rose 9.7% to 306,535.

Cross-boundary traffic by land and sea also set new annual records. Cross-boundary passenger trips via coach and limousine registered a yearly increase of 32.2% to 1.7 million, while the SkyPier ferry terminal handled 2.2 million passengers to and from the Pearl River Delta, up 23.8% year on year.

Stanley Hui Hon-chung, Chief Executive Officer of Airport Authority Hong Kong (AA), said, "We are proud to have achieved a record-breaking year in 2010 on the back of the strong economic performance of the Mainland and Hong Kong following the financial tsunami in late 2008. This further reinforces HKIA's position as a leading international and regional aviation centre, and a preferred gateway to the Mainland.

"Thanks to the collective efforts of our business partners and their staff working at the airport, we were able to maintain high standards in both efficiency and service quality while serving the largest volumes of air passengers and cargo ever seen in Hong Kong," added Mr Hui.

The year 2010 also saw nine new airlines operating flights and routes to HKIA, the launch of new facilities and capacity enhancement. These included the official openings of the North Satellite Concourse and SkyPier, as well as increase in capacity to the baggage handling system.

In December, HKIA handled 4.4 million passengers and 362,000 tonnes of cargo, representing year-on-year growth of 6.4% and 10.1% respectively. During the same period, air traffic movements reached a monthly high of 27,725, up 14.5%.

Passenger growth in December was mainly driven by visitor traffic, which registered an 8% increase over the same month in 2009. Passenger traffic to and from South East Asia and the Mainland performed particularly well. During December both Hong Kong residents and transfer/ transit passengers grew by 5% year on year.

Meanwhile, a 21% surge in transshipments, an 8% increase in exports and a 7% rise in imports compared to December 2009 all contributed to the growth in cargo tonnage. North America and Europe were particularly strong, each registering double-digit year-on-year growth.

"HKIA has gone from strength to strength since its opening, and we are looking forward to leading the airport into its next phase of development," Mr Hui added. "Signs of continuing robust market demand lead us to anticipate further growth in 2011, which will likely be single-digit because of the high base achieved in 2010. At the same time, and in partnership with the entire airport community, we will ensure that our facilities and services are maintained at world-class levels in order to continue providing our passengers with an enjoyable travel experience at HKIA."

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well then obviously their plans didn't work very well, otherwise it wouldn't give me an impression of an afterthoughts, you're right, i didn't check their planning before I said that, it's based on my personal experience a few years ago, & I'm sure a lot of visitors who have been there would agree with me.
iIt is obvious that your "personal experience" lacks knowledge of the development and history of the airline industry. The hub-and-spoke concept was not developed until the late 1970s.

Once upon a time, PAN AM JFK Worldport was an airy terminal. There is no guarantee that these airy and spacious hubs in Asia will always stay the way they are now and remain suitable for the air traffic needs decades from now.

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