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Old August 2nd, 2012, 02:56 AM   #1
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KANSAS CITY | Public Transport

yesterday voters in downtown kansas city voted with a 70% approval to create a streetcar taxing district. One more vote is needed to raise taxes in this district to pay for the line and construction can start, current plans have the line in operation in 2015.
Many hope this 2 mile starter line will lead to a much larger streetcar and lightrail network to serve the metro in coming years. The only public transportation in the city now is bus system.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/01...#disqus_thread

http://www.kcata.org/light_rail_max/...etcar_concept/
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 02:35 PM   #2
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So there is a separate vote for making the district and then taxing it? Seems like they would have combined it from the start....

That said, thanks for the update! I was just thinking about this project the other day!

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Old August 2nd, 2012, 02:52 PM   #3
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So there is a separate vote for making the district and then taxing it? Seems like they would have combined it from the start....

That said, thanks for the update! I was just thinking about this project the other day!

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the seperate vote was due to legal rules from what I understand, the district was set up using a mail in only vote this week, the tax issue will happen during a normal election.
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Old August 3rd, 2012, 12:33 PM   #4
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Perhaps things will be different this time, but Kansas City has already gone through one light rail fiasco. In 2006, the voters approved a grassroots initiative to build a 27-mile light rail line. Many aspects of the plan were impractical. The assumed cost was too low ($35 million per mile). Portions of the line were actually outside the region that voted for it. In 2008, the city placed on the ballot a more realistic plan for a 14-mile light rail line. The ballot measure failed. In the meantime, the city has been developing a bus rapid transit system.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #5
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If I had plans for an urban rail system for the Kansas City area, the first phase would be a light rail line from Downtown KC to the Crown Center, and the second phase would be an extension to Country Club Plaza. Additional phases in the distant future may extend the system to the Truman Sports Complex, the Kansas Speedway, and the Kansas City International Airport.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 05:12 AM   #6
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vote for the streetcar funding tax will be a mail in vote on election day(Nov 6), it should easily pass.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/22...tion-will.html
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Old September 27th, 2012, 01:22 AM   #7
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downtown streetcar will be free to ride
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Old September 27th, 2012, 02:08 AM   #8
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One of the theories that I have heard about transit fares is that the cheapest fare should never be less than the cost of a bottle of Colt 45.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 03:26 AM   #9
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One of the theories that I have heard about transit fares is that the cheapest fare should never be less than the cost of a bottle of Colt 45.
Unfortunately the sentiment that is implied in that theory (that public transport is only for the poor/minority populations) is widespread among the public in the U.S. In a perfect world (and indeed in many other countries), public transport would be used by all of the public-lower income classes, the middle class, and yes, even the rich sometimes. Of course, for this to occur, you need public transport that is clean, convenient in any direction (not just suburb to city center), reliable, and gets you where you want to go quickly.

But, anyway it is what it is.

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Old September 29th, 2012, 01:09 AM   #10
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KC has incredibly low ridership levels and a light rail line won't change that. Service levels are so poor, reflecting the very low ridership, that the LRT would only be any good if you were travelling strickly along the LRT corridor. Rapid transit isn't rapid if it comes every 15 minutes and then you have to wait atleast hald an hour for your connecting bus. In a city with such a large and expansive freeway system that kind of service will not lure anyone out of their cars.

For a city like KC a BRT system is a far, far better use of precious transit funds. For the price of one LRT line the city could build a whole network of BRT lines serving hundreds of thousands of more people and far more destinations. KC new semi-BRT system has proven that even in the heartland, middle America will take transit if the service is good and reliable and Nashville is also proof of that as with the success of it's semi-BRT.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 02:25 AM   #11
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Unfortunately the sentiment that is implied in that theory (that public transport is only for the poor/minority populations) is widespread among the public in the U.S. ...
No. The point is that if transit is free, the homeless will ride the trains and buses just to get out of the weather.
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KC has incredibly low ridership levels and a light rail line won't change that. Service levels are so poor, reflecting the very low ridership, that the LRT would only be any good if you were travelling strickly along the LRT corridor. Rapid transit isn't rapid if it comes every 15 minutes and then you have to wait atleast hald an hour for your connecting bus. In a city with such a large and expansive freeway system that kind of service will not lure anyone out of their cars.

For a city like KC a BRT system is a far, far better use of precious transit funds. For the price of one LRT line the city could build a whole network of BRT lines serving hundreds of thousands of more people and far more destinations. KC new semi-BRT system has proven that even in the heartland, middle America will take transit if the service is good and reliable and Nashville is also proof of that as with the success of it's semi-BRT.
We have already opened 2 BRT lines and more are planned in the metro, this streetcar line will complement them. With KC having the most freeway miles per capita of any major city in the world it will always be a challenge to get suburban ridership but this line isn't for the suburbanites, its to encourage urban renewal and economic growth, it will connect hotels, shopping, offices, various bus routes, the convention center and sprint center together with having a station at union station which is the planned hub for a future commuter rail network. The streetcar line is the key piece of the puzzle to create a much larger and better public transportation system.
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KC streetcar taxes pass overwhelmingly
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website for the streetcar is now up.

http://kcstreetcar.org/default.htm
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It would help getting rid of the freeway noose around downtown. Many Midwestern cities have a freeway surrounding their downtown and getting rid of that would help to open downtown. BRT is probably the best for now before developing a fixed rail corridor.
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most of the freeways around KCMO are depressed, so it might be better to just build over them and allow the traffic to move below buildings while re-connecting the urban fabric above
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:44 PM   #17
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most of the freeways around KCMO are depressed, so it might be better to just build over them and allow the traffic to move below buildings while re-connecting the urban fabric above
The freeways around downtown loop don't disrupt the urban fabric as nearly every street crosses the freeway and there are a couple buildings that are built over the freeway already. Its when you get away from downtown where only every 10th street crosses the highway do the freeways really disconnect the neighborhoods.
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The only building over the downtown loop is the convention center. Where Broadway, Central and Wyandotte streets pass over 670, it doesn't look very inviting for pedestrians. They'll need to do better.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 09:01 AM   #19
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The only building over the downtown loop is the convention center. Where Broadway, Central and Wyandotte streets pass over 670, it doesn't look very inviting for pedestrians. They'll need to do better.
I've walked across those bridges dozens of times, the broadway and wyandotte bridges are very pedestrian friendly with sidewalks on both sides, the central one has an odd vibe as it has a like a loading dock and off-ramp that come off of it. The wyandotte bridge has some cool artwork on its railings. The broadway bridge was just rebuilt last year and I think they added some artwork into its railings as well. The other 670 bridges have some decrative glass panels done by some artist and there is a utility bridge south of the sprint center that is cool looking as well.

Wyandotte bridge
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It's pedestrian friendly in a sense that there are sidewalks on there, but for the Wyandotte bridge it looks like a blank wall of a large warehouse. It just doesn't seem very inviting. But the panels on the east side look great and actually insulate the pedestrian from the freeway below, which is good.
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