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Old May 23rd, 2013, 09:38 AM   #541
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That's completely offtopic, but Germany benefits most from the EU and the euro

I'd like to stay on topic and mods to delete the last posts from #535, including my own.
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 12:51 PM   #542
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That s a major propaganda spread out to the world. Just look a the development of net income in Germany compared to UK, Greece, Spain and France... almost every country in the world is expanding its wealth. Here net income is more or less constant while even people working in public services have lost a lot of their income the last 20 years. Profiting from Euro? Maybe upper class people anf large companies. Simple workers or engineers ect. do really suffer on high taxes and subsidies for peripheric Europe.

Same goes for infrastructure. 20 to 30 years ago German autobahns were unbeaten. Today the network is more or less world average while Spain, Italy have overtaken Germany by far. What about public transport? Years ago Munich had a state of the art system of subway and urban rail. Today even second class (economical wise maybe even third class) European cities like Sofia have a similar systems. Spanish cities are now miles ahead. This list one may extend further and further.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #543
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That s a major propaganda spread out to the world. Just look a the development of net income in Germany compared to UK, Greece, Spain and France... almost every country in the world is expanding its wealth. Here net income is more or less constant while even people working in public services have lost a lot of their income the last 20 years. Profiting from Euro? Maybe upper class people anf large companies. Simple workers or engineers ect. do really suffer on high taxes and subsidies for peripheric Europe.

Same goes for infrastructure. 20 to 30 years ago German autobahns were unbeaten. Today the network is more or less world average while Spain, Italy have overtaken Germany by far. What about public transport? Years ago Munich had a state of the art system of subway and urban rail. Today even second class (economical wise maybe even third class) European cities like Sofia have a similar systems. Spanish cities are now miles ahead. This list one may extend further and further.
Hi Isek, I understand your position. At this point I think we should better compare Europe as one economical unit to the Asian, Latin Amerika etc. ones. Sure is, that Europe has a problem, while Asian, Australian etc. econiomies have long exited the economical crisis. Improving the infrastructure is surely a step into the right direction. I know the eternal topic about the subsiding the poorest, but fact is that as your Kanzlerin said 7-8 years ago, when she was elected, that Bavaria itselfe did got support in the past. That the Germany's economy is profiting from the EE ist not a propaganda. It was a recent report here in Bulgaria, that all the foreign chain stores (Metro, Kaufland, Lidl, Penny, Billa etc) toghether sent around 400 mln euro abroad (mostly to Germany) each week. The big problem here is that the large companies/ upper class people/ banks and so on want to obtain their percent from the real economy (those who really create products - the simply workers) This is where improvements/changes need to be executed.

Perhaps European union makes mistakes in its policy, but cofinancing infrastructure projects in the peripheric Europe such as extending the Sofia's underground line 2 by one station is surely not a mistake!

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Old May 24th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #544
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I have to deal daily with an extremely unreliable old system over here in Munich. One of the economic and therefore tax powerhouses in Europe. No money for major improvements in the last and even into the next decade. They are ruining overall German infrastructure while they invest so much in the EU periphery. That is somehow unfair. We work 50 60 hours a week suffer on extreme taxes and still need to ride a retarded subway or commuter rail system. Streets are getting worse winter by winter BTW.
You can move to periphery if you really believe the infrastructure and life in general is better there. I'm afraid it isn't so EU money or no EU money.
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #545
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That s a major propaganda spread out to the world. Just look a the development of net income in Germany compared to UK, Greece, Spain and France... almost every country in the world is expanding its wealth. Here net income is more or less constant while even people working in public services have lost a lot of their income the last 20 years. Profiting from Euro? Maybe upper class people anf large companies. Simple workers or engineers ect. do really suffer on high taxes and subsidies for peripheric Europe.

Same goes for infrastructure. 20 to 30 years ago German autobahns were unbeaten. Today the network is more or less world average while Spain, Italy have overtaken Germany by far. What about public transport? Years ago Munich had a state of the art system of subway and urban rail. Today even second class (economical wise maybe even third class) European cities like Sofia have a similar systems. Spanish cities are now miles ahead. This list one may extend further and further.
Then take it up to your politicians, not Sofia's metro.
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Old May 25th, 2013, 11:20 PM   #546
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Then take it up to your politicians, not Sofia's metro.
You got the point. Munich has internal administrative problems with getting new trains for their subway on tracks. This has nothing to do with Europe. Coming back to Sofia:

Back in 1976/78 Sofia Metro began construction of a classic east-european metro triangle with three diameters but also branches at nearly all termini. This project is somewhat similar to the Munich-metro project which was also seen at a very good idea worth to adopt in the 70s. BTW, Dortmund just has a triangle Stadtbahn-system but better football-team than Munich.

Munich-metro is an almost complete network with three diameters and supported by S-Bahn. Sofia now has it´s 2nd metro-diameter without a comparable S-Bahn-service. Extensions of european metros imho are most needed in cities like Warsaw, Budapest (M5), Sofia, Naples, Rome and Athenes. Can be done nothing wrong there.

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Old June 12th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #547
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Update of the progress on M1, both extensions. Pics by Me4ok, Ronny_Gift, enterfornone

@Sofia Airport - station 23




@station 21


@station 20


tunnel to Tsarigradsko shose station, which is in service


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@station 15 in Mladost, part of the other branch


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Old June 15th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #548
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I see all the photos of this forum I like a lot how modern is line 2 (and also line 1). I think that Bulgaria (and specially Sofia) is doing a lot modernization of the infraestructure and that's great.

Only one question: When line 2 is expected to reach Sofia Airport?
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Old June 15th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #549
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Old June 16th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #550
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I see all the photos of this forum I like a lot how modern is line 2 (and also line 1). I think that Bulgaria (and specially Sofia) is doing a lot modernization of the infraestructure and that's great.

Only one question: When line 2 is expected to reach Sofia Airport?
Line M1 is due to reach the Airport. All 8 stations on the tree segments currently under construction should be opened in 2015. The sections of M1 towards the Airport and Mladost 4 should be opened at the beginning of that year and station Hladilnika on M2 in the second half of the same year.
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Old June 26th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #551
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Update, 25.06

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Old July 3rd, 2013, 08:35 PM   #552
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M1, branch to Business park, report by Difian














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Old July 8th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #553
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Construction of line M3 to start at the end of 2013!

Great news coming from Bulgaria's capital today! The construction of the first segment of line M3 should start by the end of this year and finish in 2015, when up to 14 new stations should enter into service! Than Sofia's metro system should have 41 stations on 3 different lines.

Details are coming soon.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 11:17 PM   #554
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Congratulations Sofia you are improving a lot your public transport system! You have a very fast rate now. I'm very impressed how Sofia Metro has advanced since their opening in 1998.

And now the third line.
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Old July 12th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #555
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beautiful name for a beautiful city and a beautiful metro...congratulations!!! for your fast pace project for a city that wants to be more competitive in the world.
Here in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic although we are not as developed as Bulgaria in education or economy we too have an idea of what a modern city and country should be for competitive reasons, our goal is diversity cause we have an economy of services, that is, free industrial zones, tourism and telecommunications...we have small and little financial resources but we have the biggest economy of the Caribbean and central America (including cuba)...we are now in phase three for extension of the 2line of our metro system and under contract by ALSTOM.

As i wrote in the beginning SOPHIA, beautiful name for a beautiful city and metro system.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 09:33 AM   #556
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Update: station 23 at Sofia airport. (c)Me4ok

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Old August 6th, 2013, 02:34 PM   #557
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Some renders of what is currently U/C to the Airport

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Old August 12th, 2013, 09:50 AM   #558
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Sofia metro network is comperatively new in Europe. Where most European countries are now returning tram, Sofia is proudly constructing metro, along its tram system. Its unique feature is the covered rail track on its elevated section.

I’ve some questions (arose after viewing some websites). Please answer one by one –
1) Left side, right side or both sides, - which type of platforms are in most numbers in Sofia subway network?
2) Which is the highest & deepest station of Sofia metro?
3) Which is the busiest metro station?
4) Where is/are the depot(s) of the subway network?
5) When construction of line 3 will be started?
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Old August 12th, 2013, 10:39 AM   #559
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1) 8 stations from line 1 and 2 stations from line 2 are with central (island) platforms. All remaining stations to 27 are with side platforms.
2) Deepest are Serdika 2 station - 24 m deep, and James Bourchier station - 25 m deep.
3) Probably Serdika 1 of line 1.
4) There is only one depot and it is shared for both line 1 and 2. It's located here.
5) Next year line 3 will be tendered.
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Old August 12th, 2013, 10:46 AM   #560
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Here's a map of line 3 with timeline. In 2020 Sofia metro will have 56 km with 53 stations.
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