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Old September 1st, 2008, 02:18 AM   #1
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Reconstruction of the Cossack capital!

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Located in the Chernihiv region, the most ancient along with Kyiv, in Ukraine. First fortress was built here in the 11th century. Without boring you with istory of Ukraine, in 1600's Ukrainian fought a War for Independence, and this town became Ukrainian (Cossack) capital. The city prospered under the famous hetman Ivan Mazepa, who fought the second War for Independence. At the time Baturyn boasted 40 churches and chapels, two monasteries and a college for government officials and diplomats. The city was subsequently mostly destroyed.

For the past few years, the government had pursued a program to restore Baturyn and now we can see first progress, thanks to the visit from our forumer my19


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Old September 1st, 2008, 02:19 AM   #2
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Old September 1st, 2008, 09:11 AM   #3
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Very, very good news! Wonderful photographs - thanks.
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Old September 1st, 2008, 10:14 PM   #4
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Brilliant! Thank you Dr. Mesofius for introducing this pearl.

They're also reconstructing... 19th century mansions?
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Brilliant! Thank you Dr. Mesofius for introducing this pearl.

They're also reconstructing... 19th century mansions?
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18 сentury palace of the last Hetman (etymological origin is the same as German Hauptmann) of Ukraine Kirill Razumovsky (you might be familiar with his son, Count Razumovsky, patron of Beethoven.

It saw a late 1700's reconstruction by a famous Scottish architect Charles Cameron.

The mansion in the last picture does have the 19th century appearance, I don't know what the story is behind him.
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Old September 3rd, 2008, 04:30 AM   #6
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18 сentury palace of the last Hetman (etymological origin is the same as German Hauptmann) of Ukraine Kirill Razumovsky (you might be familiar with his son, Count Razumovsky, patron of Beethoven.

It saw a late 1700's reconstruction by a famous Scottish architect Charles Cameron.

The mansion in the last picture does have the 19th century appearance, I don't know what the story is behind him.
Ahh...THAT Razumovsky! Beautiful example of the late 1700s - early 1800s neoclassical style! It's distressing to think that it was destroyed in the first place.

And I see no problem with rebuilding 19th century houses - for a culturally-bereft American like me, the 19th-century is OLD, and worth restoring/protecting. (And now, living in Japan, I find that the Japanese think anything older than ten-or-so years is old, and buildings here have a 30-year lifespan. Incredible. But that's another forum!)
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Old September 3rd, 2008, 06:41 AM   #7
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Impressive project
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 10:14 AM   #8
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The city is continuously being raised from the ashes, so to speak.





You can see numerous wonderful examples of typical Ukrainian architecture of the 1600's






Citadel












Archaeological museum is now open
































Archaeologists found a secret tunnel that was used by the Russian army in 1708 to penetrate Ukrainian defenses. Once cleared and fully secure, it will become part of a museum.



Further development of the city includes construction of a large kindergarten


A school


Orphanage


Senior citizens facility


Population of the town is expected to grow.
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Further development of the city includes construction of a large kindergarten


A school


Orphanage


Senior citizens facility


Population of the town is expected to grow.
Too bad, they change the style...
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It would otherwise be pseudo historical project if they started building everything in 17-18 century styles.
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Fantastic project for the Ukraine.
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Old June 8th, 2009, 03:10 AM   #12
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Next place to visit in Ukraine
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Old June 9th, 2009, 04:01 PM   #13
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Wow this is huge!! Good luck with it Ukraine! I think it will be fantastic!
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Can someone please tell me if the interiors of the Razumovsky Palace are exact recreations of the originals? I am a big fan of Charles Cameron's work (the original architect) and if these are his original designs, they are very different from what he did elsewhere in his career. Thanks!
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Can someone please tell me if the interiors of the Razumovsky Palace are exact recreations of the originals? I am a big fan of Charles Cameron's work (the original architect) and if these are his original designs, they are very different from what he did elsewhere in his career. Thanks!
My guess is that they as close to the original as restoration could get. Perhaps someone else can provide a more credible answer but at least judging by the style it corresponds to the epoch.
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It would otherwise be pseudo historical project if they started building everything in 17-18 century styles.
How is building in classical fashions pseudo historical?
No one is claiming they were built in the 18th century.
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Because if you build in 18 century style near real 18 century restored buildings it will confuse people as to which are real historical buildings.
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Because if you build in 18 century style near real 18 century restored buildings it will confuse people as to which are real historical buildings.
They could change the designs but they don't need to throw out the classical style out.
Simple markers could fix that.
What about Boston? There are 18th century homes next to late 19th century colonial revival homes and no one seems to mistake them.
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Direct descendant of the last Hetmann of Ukraine, Hryhir Rozumovsky. They've been living in Austria for over a century, as far as I know... If Ukraine was a monarchy, he might have been the king, lol




Modern Razumovsky presents his greatgreatgreatgreatgrandfathers sword to the palace museum






















Portrait of Hetman Razumovsky was bought from Austria


Monument commemorating the tragedy (sacking) of Baturyn


The palace now also functions as a library
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