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Old September 3rd, 2008, 06:36 PM   #81
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Were you even there? Atlanta was and still is the smallest city to ever host a summer games. It did a great job considering no debt came of it and ALL venues are still used which is hard to say for some other Olympics. Like Athens.
Before you open your ignorant mouth, do some research. Criticism is good if given constructively. Ignorance, however, is inexcusable:



Below, please find an overview (with links and evidence) as to how the facilities in Athens are in use today:

the Olympic Stadium being used for domestic soccer league matches (home field for two teams in the Greek Super League, Panathinaikos - www.pao.gr - and AEK Athens - www.aekfc.gr), track meets (like the Tsiklitiria meet, part of the IAAF Golden League - http://www.tsiklitiria.org/) , and concerts (Shakira and Pearl Jam in recent years among others, Bjork a couple of months ago - http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../05/2008_97189 -, Madonna in a few weeks - http://www.ticketpro.gr/ -). The OAKA also held the UEFA Champion's League final in 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljz6N...eature=related

The OAKA basketball stadium is the home court for Panathinaikos - www.paobc.gr - and AEK - www.aekbc.gr - in the Greek first division of basketball, and recently held the FIBA Pre-Olympic Qualifying Matches (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/), as well as the Eurovision Song Contest in 2006. It is also the home court for the Greek National basketball team.

The velodrome recently hosted the Greek Cycling Championships (photos here: http://apolisports.blogspot.com/2008...ship-2008.html). And here is a list of events held there recently (unfortunately only in Greek): http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=324

The tennis center is still in use, here's a list of tournaments held there recently (unfortunately only in Greek): http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=325. It is also used by the Athens Tennis Academy: http://www.athenstennisacademy.gr/eng/gallery.html

The aquatic center is still in use as well...list of recent tournaments, again only in Greek: http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=342. The outdoor pool is open to the public as well. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Peace and Friendship stadium is still in use and is the home court for Olympiakos BC (basketball) - http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Basketba...ingCenter/SEF/ - as well as for conventions and exhibitions, a list of which can be found here: http://www.sef-stadium.gr/index.files/Page1937.htm

The Hellinikon basketball stadium is now the home court for Panionios BC in the Greek basketball league: http://www.panioniosbc.gr/index.asp?a_id=90. The stadium has also hosted numerous concerts and conventions, including Iron Maiden, the Athens Tuning Show, the Tourism & Property Show, the Woman Show and many others: http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The baseball field at the Hellinikon complex has been converted to a football pitch and is the home field for Ethnikos FC in the Greek second division: http://www.sport.gr/default.asp?pid=......64&cid=2216

The Canoe-Kayak facility at the Hellinikon complex recently held the Greek canoe-kayak championships, and will be converted to a waterpark, as the facility has already been handed over to a private consortium, including J&P AVAX, GEP, Corfu Waterparks and BIOTER. This waterpark will be part of the larger plans to turn the entire Hellinkon property, which was once Athens' international airport, into a metropolitan park. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../08/2007_86425.

Karaiskaki Stadium is the home pitch for Olympiakos FC: http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Football...er/Karaiskaki/ and has hosted domestic and Champions League matches continuously since 2004 and has also held concerts and festivals (including the fly beeyond festival and a concert with Massive Attack, also seen in the link above). It has also served as the home field for the Greek National football team: http://www.karaiskaki.gr/hellas_gr.asp. Even more information about the facility is here: http://www.karaiskaki.gr/events_gr.asp

Kaftanzoglio Stadium in Thessaloniki is the home pitch for Iraklis FC in the Greek Super League: http://www.iraklis-fc.gr/swift.jsp?C...=0202&extLang= and http://www.kaftanzoglio.gr/activities2.html. Last year, it was also the temporary home field of FC Apollon Kalamarias, another football team in the Greek Super League, whose original stadium is under reconstruction - http://www.apollonkalamariasfc.gr/pa...toria-2007.htm.

The Pancretan Stadium in Iraklion is the home pitch for OFI FC and Ergotelis FC in the Greek Super League: http://www.ofi.gr/game.aspx?game_id=185, http://www.stadia.gr/pankritio/pankritio-gr.html, http://www.ergotelis.gr/ergotelis/fr...mp;option=form. It also held the Greek Cup final in 2006.

The Panthessaliko Stadium in Volos will be the main stadium for the Mediterranean Games of 2013 (http://www.medgames.net/) and hosted the Greek Cup final in 2007 and has held local football games, track meets, concerts and conventions. Is also the home field for Niki Volou in Greece's second football division. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Panpeloponisiako Stadium in Patra held the Greek Cup final in 2005, held the Greek football All-Star Game in 2008, and has held local football games, track meets, concerts and conventions and recently also held an international friendly match with the Greek National football team. It is also the home field for Panahaiki in Greece's third division. http://www.panachaiki.gr/site/index.......9&Itemid=66, http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Faliron Complex has become the Athens International Convention Center, and has hosted, amongst other things, concerts by Morrissey, Isaac Hayes, Antonis Remos (popular Greek singer), political gatherings, trade shows like the Athens Audio Visual Show, and performances such as "Peter Pan on Ice":

http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=265
http://www.i-stores.gr/index.php?opt......d=2&lang=gr
http://siteseein.gr/2006/11/morrissey.html
http://www.myday.gr/_NEA/PREVIEW_new...;category_id=5
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...CEc8x5YFRNxyvQ
http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Goudi Olympic Complex has become the Badminton Theater, one of Athens' most modern theaters and concert halls. It will be hosting West Side Story in September, and has hosted numerous theatrical productions, including Mamma Mia. http://www.badmintontheater.gr/

The Beach Volleyball Stadium has held concerts, and has recently been turned over to a private company, S.K. Pazaropoulos, which plans to turn it into a 21st-Century version of Athens' historic "Lycabettus" theater. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588. It is under conversion and is scheduled to be completed by 2009. Here is one event that was held in the stadium after 2004: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/even......e=27&id=295.

The Olympic fencing hall in Peristeri has been partially converted, featuring a football pitch and hosting gymnastics competitions. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Agios Kosmas Sailing Marina: has been turned over to the private company Seirios A.E. and will be turned into a world-class marina (with room for close to a thousand yachts), and will be part of Athens' revitalized waterfront, which also includes a new theater, library and concert hall that will be designed by world-renowned architect Renzo Piano: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p......&refer=muse, http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317

Athens Main Press Centre (MPC): has been converted to the new headquarters of the Greek Ministry of Health and Social Welfare, and the amphitheater contained within has hosted numerous ceremonies and public events: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=256, http://fe-mail.gr/pages/posts/greece..._world2293.php

International Broadcast Center (IBC): has been turned over to a private corporation, Lambda Development, which is turning it into a shopping mall and retail center which will be known as the "Golden Hall," with 146 retail spaces. Part of the IBC will become the Greek Olympic Museum and the International Museum of Classic Athletics. http://www.lamda-development.net/onl...p;PageCounts=1

Olympic Weightlifting Hall in Nikaia: has hosted fencing competitions since the Olympics, however, it has now been turned over to the University of Piraeus, which it will use for lecture halls and classroom space: http://www.unipi.gr/anak-ekd.php?prkaID=1279

Markopoulo Shooting Range: has been turned over to the Hellenic Police Force, and will be the site of its police training academy and the headquarters of the Special Forces division of the Hellenic Police. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317 and http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=258

Olympic Rowing Center in Shoinias: is part of the Shoinias National Park, and is one of only three FISA approved training centers in the world, the other two being in Munich and Seville. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317. The 2008 FISA European Rowing Championships will be taking place here in just a few weeks, 18-21 September: http://www.worldrowing.com/display/m...?eventid=35081. Though this facility did indeed lie unused for a while, it has been completely reconstructed by the Germany company Hochtief, and is in full use today. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Olympic Equestrian Center, Markopoulo: Is now the headquarters of the Greek Equestrian Federation, as well as Greece's Horse Racing competitions (which relocated from an old facility in Faliron after the Olympic Games). A European Equestrian Competition was held here from July 9-13, 2008: http://www.hunterjumpernews.com/?p=5148. Here are some domestic events that have taken place there this year: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/even......e=18&id=312

Ano Liosia Olympic Hall: has been leased out for various uses over the years, including the filming of the Greek version of the Reality TV show "So You Think You Can Dance." According to this article (http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588), the facility is in excellent shape. In September 2009, it will become home to Greece's new Academy of Culture and the National Digital Archive. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=266

Olympic village: 2,292 apartments were sold to low-income individuals and today the village is home to over 8,000 residents. It is suffering from some problems, most notably lack of frequent public transportation, but it is fully in use and was turned over to residents immediately after the end of the 2004 Olympics. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Galatsi Olympic Hall: After the Olympics, this was the home court of AEK BC in Basketball. http://www.stadia.gr/galatsi/galatsi-gr.html. AEK has since moved back to the OAKA complex (its home court before 2004) and the hall has been turned over to a private consortium, Acropol Haragionis AE and Sonae Sierra SGPS S.A. It is now being converted to a shopping mall and entertainment complex, scheduled to reopen in 2009. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=253

And again, this is just how the Athletic facilities have been used. In the leadup to the Athens games, numerous huge public works projects took place that transformed the city of Athens and the quality of life of its residents and visitors alike. Quite conveniently, your article mentioned NONE of these improvements:

Athens Metro: Used to be comprised by one line, the "ilektrikos" running north-south from Piraeus to the northern suburbs of Athens. The ISAP was completely revitalized before the games, and two new Metro lines were added to it, in time for the 2004 Olympics. However, the metro continues to expand to this day, with the planned addition of a new line and further expansions of existing lines, with some metro stations having been completed in the past few years and added into service. More information here: http://www.ametro.gr/page/default.asp?la=2&id=7 and photos of this project, including the spectacular stations (which resemble museums more than train stations) here: http://www.ametro.gr/page/default.asp?la=2&id=14

Tram: Completed just before the Olympics, the tram continues to be a vital part of the transportation network of Athens, connecting regions that do not have Metro service to the city center and the port of Piraeus. http://www.tramsa.gr, http://www.tramsa.gr/map/googlemapstram.html. The tram was recently expanded to the southern suburb of Voula, and there are other planned expansions, including 11 new stations in Piraeus: http://www.tramsa.gr/html/gr/diadromes.php?id=4.

Proastikos: The suburban railway connects the City of Athens with the new international airport, the northern coast of the Peloponese and cities like Korinthos, and is under expansion to reach cities like Kiato and Halkida. http://proastiakos.gr/en/ and http://proastiakos.gr/en/?getwhat=1&oi...;id=&tid=53

Athens International Airport "Eleftherios Venizelos": Completed in 2001, it is an ultra-modern airport near the town of Spata, outside of Athens, which replaced the old and outdated airport at Hellinikon. Earlier this year, the airport welcomed its 100 millionth passenger. It has won numerous awards, including "best airport in Southern Europe" in 2005 and 2006, European Airport of the Year in 2004 and Green building of the year in 2008 (for its environmentally friendly design). It is also one of only a few airports that is capable of accommodating the new Airbus A380. In the years since the Olympic games, numerous new airlines have begun routes to Athens, including US Airways, Continental Airlines, Air China, and Aer Lingus, and the amount of passengers handled has increased in each year since starting its operations. There are plans to expand the airport's capacity and a convention center is being built at the airport as well.

http://www.aia.gr
http://www.worldairportawards.com/Aw...esultsFull.htm
http://www.aia.gr/entry.asp?pageid=7...mp;entryId=232

Attiki Odos: a new motorway, completed in 2004, linking initially the new Athens International Airport with the city and outlying regions like Elefsina, connecting it to Greece's main national motorways heading south from Athens to Peloponissos (Korinthos, Patra, etc.) and north to Thessaloniki. It acts as a ring road around the city, diverting traffic away from the city center and helping to reduce traffic and pollution. Plans were recently announced to expand the Attiki Odos south within the city of Athens, to the southern suburb of Vouliagmeni, and to Athens' secondary port town of Rafina and the industrial town of Lavrio. http://www.express.gr/news/politics/...060335654.php3, http://www.aodos.gr

Converting Athens' historical center to a pedestrianized zone: The main historical sights of central Athens, including the Acropolis, the Ancient Agora, the Kalimarmaron Stadium (site of the original Olympic games), etc. were all connected and made easy for pedestrians to access, as roads that were previously open to traffic were closed off and converted to pedestrian walkways. There are plans to expand the pedestrian walkways to other parts of central Athens, including the main throughfare of Athinas Avenue, which travels north from Monastiraki (just below the Acropolis) to Omonia Square in the heart of Athens. http://www.minenv.gr/4/44/4401/44010...401020202.html, http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_...08/2008_282400, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../08/2008_99833, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../01/2002_12350



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Were you even there? Atlanta was and still is the smallest city to ever host a summer games. It did a great job considering no debt came of it and ALL venues are still used which is hard to say for some other Olympics. Like Athens.
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Atlanta lacked the glamour and iconic vistas or spaces every other host is known for, which is understandable given the city's age. No need to apologize for not being something the City can't be.
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This just in: Phoenix is in the middle of nowhere, and current development forms make mass transit difficult to say the least. So a car park is necessary. But don't fret, in the long term there is more development planned to go around it and in time you won't need to assume the facility's location was another random act of stupidity.
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Below, please find an overview (with links and evidence) as to how the facilities in Athens are in use today:

the Olympic Stadium being used for domestic soccer league matches (home field for two teams in the Greek Super League, Panathinaikos - www.pao.gr - and AEK Athens - www.aekfc.gr), track meets (like the Tsiklitiria meet, part of the IAAF Golden League - http://www.tsiklitiria.org/) , and concerts (Shakira and Pearl Jam in recent years among others, Bjork a couple of months ago - http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../05/2008_97189 -, Madonna in a few weeks - http://www.ticketpro.gr/ -). The OAKA also held the UEFA Champion's League final in 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljz6N...eature=related

The OAKA basketball stadium is the home court for Panathinaikos - www.paobc.gr - and AEK - www.aekbc.gr - in the Greek first division of basketball, and recently held the FIBA Pre-Olympic Qualifying Matches (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/), as well as the Eurovision Song Contest in 2006. It is also the home court for the Greek National basketball team.

The velodrome recently hosted the Greek Cycling Championships (photos here: http://apolisports.blogspot.com/2008...ship-2008.html). And here is a list of events held there recently (unfortunately only in Greek): http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=324

The tennis center is still in use, here's a list of tournaments held there recently (unfortunately only in Greek): http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=325. It is also used by the Athens Tennis Academy: http://www.athenstennisacademy.gr/eng/gallery.html

The aquatic center is still in use as well...list of recent tournaments, again only in Greek: http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=342. The outdoor pool is open to the public as well. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Peace and Friendship stadium is still in use and is the home court for Olympiakos BC (basketball) - http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Basketba...ingCenter/SEF/ - as well as for conventions and exhibitions, a list of which can be found here: http://www.sef-stadium.gr/index.files/Page1937.htm

The Hellinikon basketball stadium is now the home court for Panionios BC in the Greek basketball league: http://www.panioniosbc.gr/index.asp?a_id=90. The stadium has also hosted numerous concerts and conventions, including Iron Maiden, the Athens Tuning Show, the Tourism & Property Show, the Woman Show and many others: http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The baseball field at the Hellinikon complex has been converted to a football pitch and is the home field for Ethnikos FC in the Greek second division: http://www.sport.gr/default.asp?pid=......64&cid=2216

The Canoe-Kayak facility at the Hellinikon complex recently held the Greek canoe-kayak championships, and will be converted to a waterpark, as the facility has already been handed over to a private consortium, including J&P AVAX, GEP, Corfu Waterparks and BIOTER. This waterpark will be part of the larger plans to turn the entire Hellinkon property, which was once Athens' international airport, into a metropolitan park. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../08/2007_86425.

Karaiskaki Stadium is the home pitch for Olympiakos FC: http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Football...er/Karaiskaki/ and has hosted domestic and Champions League matches continuously since 2004 and has also held concerts and festivals (including the fly beeyond festival and a concert with Massive Attack, also seen in the link above). It has also served as the home field for the Greek National football team: http://www.karaiskaki.gr/hellas_gr.asp. Even more information about the facility is here: http://www.karaiskaki.gr/events_gr.asp

Kaftanzoglio Stadium in Thessaloniki is the home pitch for Iraklis FC in the Greek Super League: http://www.iraklis-fc.gr/swift.jsp?C...=0202&extLang= and http://www.kaftanzoglio.gr/activities2.html. Last year, it was also the temporary home field of FC Apollon Kalamarias, another football team in the Greek Super League, whose original stadium is under reconstruction - http://www.apollonkalamariasfc.gr/pa...toria-2007.htm.

The Pancretan Stadium in Iraklion is the home pitch for OFI FC and Ergotelis FC in the Greek Super League: http://www.ofi.gr/game.aspx?game_id=185, http://www.stadia.gr/pankritio/pankritio-gr.html, http://www.ergotelis.gr/ergotelis/fr...mp;option=form. It also held the Greek Cup final in 2006.

The Panthessaliko Stadium in Volos will be the main stadium for the Mediterranean Games of 2013 (http://www.medgames.net/) and hosted the Greek Cup final in 2007 and has held local football games, track meets, concerts and conventions. Is also the home field for Niki Volou in Greece's second football division. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Panpeloponisiako Stadium in Patra held the Greek Cup final in 2005, held the Greek football All-Star Game in 2008, and has held local football games, track meets, concerts and conventions and recently also held an international friendly match with the Greek National football team. It is also the home field for Panahaiki in Greece's third division. http://www.panachaiki.gr/site/index.......9&Itemid=66, http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Faliron Complex has become the Athens International Convention Center, and has hosted, amongst other things, concerts by Morrissey, Isaac Hayes, Antonis Remos (popular Greek singer), political gatherings, trade shows like the Athens Audio Visual Show, and performances such as "Peter Pan on Ice":

http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=265
http://www.i-stores.gr/index.php?opt......d=2&lang=gr
http://siteseein.gr/2006/11/morrissey.html
http://www.myday.gr/_NEA/PREVIEW_new...;category_id=5
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...CEc8x5YFRNxyvQ
http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Goudi Olympic Complex has become the Badminton Theater, one of Athens' most modern theaters and concert halls. It will be hosting West Side Story in September, and has hosted numerous theatrical productions, including Mamma Mia. http://www.badmintontheater.gr/

The Beach Volleyball Stadium has held concerts, and has recently been turned over to a private company, S.K. Pazaropoulos, which plans to turn it into a 21st-Century version of Athens' historic "Lycabettus" theater. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588. It is under conversion and is scheduled to be completed by 2009. Here is one event that was held in the stadium after 2004: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/even......e=27&id=295.

The Olympic fencing hall in Peristeri has been partially converted, featuring a football pitch and hosting gymnastics competitions. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Agios Kosmas Sailing Marina: has been turned over to the private company Seirios A.E. and will be turned into a world-class marina (with room for close to a thousand yachts), and will be part of Athens' revitalized waterfront, which also includes a new theater, library and concert hall that will be designed by world-renowned architect Renzo Piano: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p......&refer=muse, http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317

Athens Main Press Centre (MPC): has been converted to the new headquarters of the Greek Ministry of Health and Social Welfare, and the amphitheater contained within has hosted numerous ceremonies and public events: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=256, http://fe-mail.gr/pages/posts/greece..._world2293.php

International Broadcast Center (IBC): has been turned over to a private corporation, Lambda Development, which is turning it into a shopping mall and retail center which will be known as the "Golden Hall," with 146 retail spaces. Part of the IBC will become the Greek Olympic Museum and the International Museum of Classic Athletics. http://www.lamda-development.net/onl...p;PageCounts=1

Olympic Weightlifting Hall in Nikaia: has hosted fencing competitions since the Olympics, however, it has now been turned over to the University of Piraeus, which it will use for lecture halls and classroom space: http://www.unipi.gr/anak-ekd.php?prkaID=1279

Markopoulo Shooting Range: has been turned over to the Hellenic Police Force, and will be the site of its police training academy and the headquarters of the Special Forces division of the Hellenic Police. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317 and http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=258

Olympic Rowing Center in Shoinias: is part of the Shoinias National Park, and is one of only three FISA approved training centers in the world, the other two being in Munich and Seville. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317. The 2008 FISA European Rowing Championships will be taking place here in just a few weeks, 18-21 September: http://www.worldrowing.com/display/m...?eventid=35081. Though this facility did indeed lie unused for a while, it has been completely reconstructed by the Germany company Hochtief, and is in full use today. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Olympic Equestrian Center, Markopoulo: Is now the headquarters of the Greek Equestrian Federation, as well as Greece's Horse Racing competitions (which relocated from an old facility in Faliron after the Olympic Games). A European Equestrian Competition was held here from July 9-13, 2008: http://www.hunterjumpernews.com/?p=5148. Here are some domestic events that have taken place there this year: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/even......e=18&id=312

Ano Liosia Olympic Hall: has been leased out for various uses over the years, including the filming of the Greek version of the Reality TV show "So You Think You Can Dance." According to this article (http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588), the facility is in excellent shape. In September 2009, it will become home to Greece's new Academy of Culture and the National Digital Archive. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=266

Olympic village: 2,292 apartments were sold to low-income individuals and today the village is home to over 8,000 residents. It is suffering from some problems, most notably lack of frequent public transportation, but it is fully in use and was turned over to residents immediately after the end of the 2004 Olympics. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Galatsi Olympic Hall: After the Olympics, this was the home court of AEK BC in Basketball. http://www.stadia.gr/galatsi/galatsi-gr.html. AEK has since moved back to the OAKA complex (its home court before 2004) and the hall has been turned over to a private consortium, Acropol Haragionis AE and Sonae Sierra SGPS S.A. It is now being converted to a shopping mall and entertainment complex, scheduled to reopen in 2009. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=253

And again, this is just how the Athletic facilities have been used. In the leadup to the Athens games, numerous huge public works projects took place that transformed the city of Athens and the quality of life of its residents and visitors alike. Quite conveniently, your article mentioned NONE of these improvements:

Athens Metro: Used to be comprised by one line, the "ilektrikos" running north-south from Piraeus to the northern suburbs of Athens. The ISAP was completely revitalized before the games, and two new Metro lines were added to it, in time for the 2004 Olympics. However, the metro continues to expand to this day, with the planned addition of a new line and further expansions of existing lines, with some metro stations having been completed in the past few years and added into service. More information here: http://www.ametro.gr/page/default.asp?la=2&id=7 and photos of this project, including the spectacular stations (which resemble museums more than train stations) here: http://www.ametro.gr/page/default.asp?la=2&id=14

Tram: Completed just before the Olympics, the tram continues to be a vital part of the transportation network of Athens, connecting regions that do not have Metro service to the city center and the port of Piraeus. http://www.tramsa.gr, http://www.tramsa.gr/map/googlemapstram.html. The tram was recently expanded to the southern suburb of Voula, and there are other planned expansions, including 11 new stations in Piraeus: http://www.tramsa.gr/html/gr/diadromes.php?id=4.

Proastikos: The suburban railway connects the City of Athens with the new international airport, the northern coast of the Peloponese and cities like Korinthos, and is under expansion to reach cities like Kiato and Halkida. http://proastiakos.gr/en/ and http://proastiakos.gr/en/?getwhat=1&oi...;id=&tid=53

Athens International Airport "Eleftherios Venizelos": Completed in 2001, it is an ultra-modern airport near the town of Spata, outside of Athens, which replaced the old and outdated airport at Hellinikon. Earlier this year, the airport welcomed its 100 millionth passenger. It has won numerous awards, including "best airport in Southern Europe" in 2005 and 2006, European Airport of the Year in 2004 and Green building of the year in 2008 (for its environmentally friendly design). It is also one of only a few airports that is capable of accommodating the new Airbus A380. In the years since the Olympic games, numerous new airlines have begun routes to Athens, including US Airways, Continental Airlines, Air China, and Aer Lingus, and the amount of passengers handled has increased in each year since starting its operations. There are plans to expand the airport's capacity and a convention center is being built at the airport as well.

http://www.aia.gr
http://www.worldairportawards.com/Aw...esultsFull.htm
http://www.aia.gr/entry.asp?pageid=7...mp;entryId=232

Attiki Odos: a new motorway, completed in 2004, linking initially the new Athens International Airport with the city and outlying regions like Elefsina, connecting it to Greece's main national motorways heading south from Athens to Peloponissos (Korinthos, Patra, etc.) and north to Thessaloniki. It acts as a ring road around the city, diverting traffic away from the city center and helping to reduce traffic and pollution. Plans were recently announced to expand the Attiki Odos south within the city of Athens, to the southern suburb of Vouliagmeni, and to Athens' secondary port town of Rafina and the industrial town of Lavrio. http://www.express.gr/news/politics/...060335654.php3, http://www.aodos.gr

Converting Athens' historical center to a pedestrianized zone: The main historical sights of central Athens, including the Acropolis, the Ancient Agora, the Kalimarmaron Stadium (site of the original Olympic games), etc. were all connected and made easy for pedestrians to access, as roads that were previously open to traffic were closed off and converted to pedestrian walkways. There are plans to expand the pedestrian walkways to other parts of central Athens, including the main throughfare of Athinas Avenue, which travels north from Monastiraki (just below the Acropolis) to Omonia Square in the heart of Athens. http://www.minenv.gr/4/44/4401/44010...401020202.html, http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_...08/2008_282400, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../08/2008_99833, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../01/2002_12350



This is taken from an excellent forumer in the Hellenic Agora. His name is neoellinas and I took this from the following thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=672532
Lol I'm not ignorant. You're still in debt. Live with it. And up until this point your venues were pretty much deserted. We also still use our venues for sports. The equestrian center is still an equestrian center etc. Your Olympic village. What's its legacy? How inhabited is it? Your Olympic Stadium. How often is it used during the week?
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Well said

Easily the most boring Games ever - I can't wait for the Paralympics to be over so we can forget this debacle ever happened.
Totally biased and useless opinion .No one is telling you to watch Paraolympics
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ARIZONA CARDINALS

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Uh, those weren't his personal comments but were a quote from the linked article. And in fact the quote is half a compliment:



Atlanta lacked the glamour and iconic vistas or spaces every other host is known for, which is understandable given the city's age. No need to apologize for not being something the City can't be.

Are you sure, that this is a compliment?

Most people knew little about the sports they were watching, but hey, this was the Olympics. You had to be there.


I remember the scene of the opening ceremony, when the team from Georgia (former Soviet Union) entered the stadium. The crowd cheered them enthusiastically like the USA, strange situation!
And I remember the exaggaration of US national symbols at this games /opening ceremony.
The opening ceremony of owg in Salt Lake City 2002 was ways better than this.

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It's in the middle of nowhere...... they're going to surround it with an enormous carpark aren't they?

There's a hockey arena & shopping center just north of the stadium.
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St. Louis is ugly IMO. The rest is very nice for the time in which it has been build.
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Lol I'm not ignorant. You're still in debt. Live with it. And up until this point your venues were pretty much deserted. We also still use our venues for sports. The equestrian center is still an equestrian center etc. Your Olympic village. What's its legacy? How inhabited is it? Your Olympic Stadium. How often is it used during the week?
Now I really feel you are hopeless. Read the facts man!

The Olympic Stadium is used every weekend during the year as it is the HOME STADIUM of two of Greece's largest soccer teams: AEK Athens and Panathinaikos.

Also, on Wednesday's there are soccer Cup matches. Throw in there the UEFA Cup and Champions League games, the stadium is sometimes used 2-3 times a week!

With regards to the Olympic Village, the apartment units are being used as lower-income housing units for folks that are unfortunately not well off and cannot afford the more expensive apartments/homes in Athens. A good use if you ask me.

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I voted (Mexico City) before actually reading the thread. Now I feel dirty. The inspiration for this particular thread seems like nothing but appealing to the lowest common denominator - "I'm loud and opinionated, therefore I am!"

Thanks to those who tried to be rational. I know Atlanta's isn't a true athletics stadium, but if one puts things into context, form follows function, etc, then it does well. Hardly the best, but not worthy of the derision many offer. I'm sorry the City couldn't concoct an ocean front to add to the visual appeal for everyone but it was what it was.

I voted Mexico City because it's site appears a banal, minimalist variant of the stadium+plaza concept. While Atlanta combined two divergent directions into an uncomfortable compromise, it still provided a level of grace and character that isn't found (IMO) in Mexico's wasteland of concrete and pavers. From pictures it appears to be the epitome of a design entirely conceived from the plan view with little thought of the actual experience for participants.

I'm not saying it's s***, just that it appears the least inspired of the modern Olympic stadiums.
You have no idea of what your saying, Mexico City Olympic Stadium, is one of the best examples of modern architecture from the 50's, and is still very functional today.

This sport facility is part of the Ciudad Universitaria ("University City"), the main campus of the largest and most prestigious university of Latin America, UNAM. It was built during the 1950s on an ancient solidified lava bed. It was declared a World Heritage Site by UNESCO in 2007





These stands contain reliefs designed by Diego Rivera.





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Are you sure, that this is a compliment?

Most people knew little about the sports they were watching, but hey, this was the Olympics. You had to be there.
Uh, yeah, because I read the entire article. The author, Mr. Barnes, is intimating how the mystique of the Olympics as an event will triumph over the doom and gloom of naysayers, those who, as he puts it, intimate that the games are a "Bad Thing." To wit, he used Atlanta as an example, that even for sports with little popularity and for athletes not known to the general public, "every venue was packed." That despite the crowd consisting of so many "rednecks," they knew enough that "this was the Olympics. (they) had to be there." The theme carries over to his next paragraph suggesting the Aussie's did an even better job supporting the games.

Seriously, read it once more and you'll see he's offering that as a positive for the Atlanta games.
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Exaggeration of US national symbols? I'm afraid you lost me, there. Then again, maybe I'm still being blinded by all the Chinese imagery echoing in my mind from the Beijing games? Or all that Greek stuff from Athens. Oh, that's right, the games are supposed to involve a celebration of the local culture...

None of which, btw, should really have a bearing on the architectural merits of the venue as an Olympic stadium, if we're to stay on topic.
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You have no idea of what your saying, Mexico City Olympic Stadium, is one of the best examples of modern architecture from the 50's, and is still very functional today.
I never said it wasn't still in use and am quite aware of the exploits of UNAM Pumas and the university. (Hard to forget the flamboyance of Jorge Campos!) But saying this is a great example of period architecture is something different from saying it's a great stadium, and the latter involves more opinion. I expect and appreciate differences in this arena. So, I'll expand on mine for this discussion...

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First off the campus is the heritage site, not simply the stadium. And much of that designation is a cultural and environmental relevance, sort of an homage to successful urban renewal. Good for them and may the campus continue to prosper, but it's not a designation based simply on the stadium's architecture.

I also know the shape is to emulate the site's volcanic ecology, so its form has a basis. But comparable to how I feel the Bird's Nest stops short in epitomizing its theme, I think this venue fails to celebrate that theme even further. The surrounding plaza, the tunnels, the ancillary elements... everything else I've seen suggests these things were designed in rather rudimentary fashion, almost as if simply added on to the original, grand form. I'd loved to have seen far more interplay of vertical elements in the plaza, more dynamic entryways and even more artistic tiles and artwork, but such detailing like that clashes with the 50's style that the stadium epitomizes. So ultimately it's a matter of taste.

I'll add a caveat to my thoughts in that I'm not sure of the resources or conditions leading up to the facility's creation and/or the Mexico City games. There may have been more plans that could never have been realized for one reason or another and it could easily be argued that the venue more than amply did its job, and again, I'm not saying it's the worst stadium of all time or anything. But I don't know that this stadium, as a singular venue, excels as an Olympic stadium, by comparison. I also fear its future could also be hampered by its historic status in that other venues will offer better sightlines, more amenities, etc.

But that's just me. No harm intended.
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It's in the middle of nowhere...... they're going to surround it with an enormous carpark aren't they?

Where else are you going to put a 100k seater.

Besides, it wont be in the middle of nowhere in 50 years.
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How would anyone here have done Atlanta's stadium differently while still having it be able to used as a baseball stadium afterwords? I mean if there was some fundamental design flaw let's hear what it was.

One thing I always find strange was the criticism of the corporate influence of the Atlanta games but how do you host the Olympics with no government funding without corporate help? Wishful thinking? Hunt for Leprechauns?
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^if by 100k you mean 60k
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And to think that this "Worst" thread was started by GEwinnem WHO ALSO started the "Best" thread. I guess he/she/it wasn't satisfied with the BEST results and had to conjure up another one just to see his/her/its name.

Yup, nothing like covering the 2 ends...from mouth to ass.

I hope he/she/it learned something a little more today from all its redundancy.
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And to think that this "Worst" thread was started by GEwinnem WHO ALSO started the "Best" thread. I guess he/she/it wasn't satisfied with the BEST results and had to conjure up another one just to see his/her/its name.

Yup, nothing like covering the 2 ends...from mouth to ass.

I hope he/she/it learned something a little more today from all its redundancy.

What's your problem, Knitemplar?

You're offended because your great memory stadium Atlanta was recognized as the worst in olympic history.
That was my feeling (from TV) watching the 1996 games.

I visited the Olympic stadiums in my home country, esp. Munich impressed me very much. Walking under the tent roof was a special feeling. This is great architecture.

Berlin Olympic Stadium is 60 years older but ways better, especially in the shape for the 2006 World Cup.
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