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View Poll Results: The worst Olympic Stadium ever?
1896 Athens 3 1.02%
1900 Paris 5 1.69%
1904 St. Louis 48 16.27%
1908 London 0 0%
1912 Stockholm 1 0.34%
1920 Antwerp 3 1.02%
1924 Paris 3 1.02%
1928 Amsterdam 2 0.68%
1932 L.A. 1 0.34%
1936 Berlin 3 1.02%
1948 London 2 0.68%
1952 Helsink 5 1.69%
1956 Melbourne 5 1.69%
1960 Rome 2 0.68%
1964 Tokyo 5 1.69%
1968 Mexico 11 3.73%
1972 Munich 1 0.34%
1976 Montreal 11 3.73%
1980 Moscow 17 5.76%
1984 L.A. 8 2.71%
1988 Seoul 6 2.03%
1992 Bercelona 14 4.75%
1996 Atlanta 105 35.59%
2000 Sydney 6 2.03%
2004 Athens 16 5.42%
2008 Beijing 12 4.07%
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Old September 11th, 2008, 01:28 AM   #141
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Ok...take it from someone who lives in Toronto.
How ridiculous and utterly ignorant to compare those two photos - the first, a photo of the completed Olympic venue area strangely devoid of people and traffic, almost appearing to be a model...the second, an obviously under-construction side street photo taken underneath the stands of an incomplete Olympic Stadium.

Great! Finally an non-biased opinion from a non-bitter resident of a non-Olympic city.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 02:25 AM   #142
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You know all of this from....

- Your many visits to the city of Atlanta? What in your experience makes Atlanta not a "better city"? I doubt you have any knowledge of Atlanta other than the stereotypical, negative, ignorant hearsay.
So to be able to pass judgement on any Olympic host city you have to had visited the city istelf. I have never visited Syndey, nor have I ever been to Beijing, however I do have favorable opinions of both games. By your logic then there would be no need for such threads since I really doubt many forumers ahve even been to half of the cities which have hosted the games.


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- Your attendance at the Opening Ceremonies or attendance at ANY event during the 1996 Games? Did you even watch any events on television?
Yes I actually did watch the games on TV. Atlanta was the first Olympics I remember really watching. Even if I hadn't, there is a thing called the "legacy of the games" which essentially serves as a reminder to people of how the games generally played out. I wasnt alive for LA in 1932 or 1984, but both those games are regarded as one of the best of all times.


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- Your knowledge of Coca-Cola's MAJOR sponsorship of the Atlanta, Sydney, ATHENS, and Bejing Games? I don't believe that any city has turned down any sponsorship from Coca-Cola or any other company.So how exactly did "Atlanta go a slight bit too far" with the commercialism? As a resident of the city who attended several events and was all around the city during the 2 weeks of the Games, it most definitely WAS NOT drilled down my throat anymore than "The Coca-Cola Games" is a worldwide nickname for the 1996 Olympics - maybe it's a bitter local reference only known in the Athens area.
I never implied that any games organizing committes should turn down sponsorships fro major companies like Coke. However the marketing campaign by major companies, especially Coke (which has its headquarters in Atlanta) went to a level never before seen at any previous or later Olympic games. Take an excerpt from an article.......

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TR: We did so much at Atlanta that I don’t know if you could really call it advertising. It’s our headquarter city, so the marketing was everywhere. We even built a place for people to refresh and relax called Coca-Cola Olympic City. Because the world was coming to our home town, we decided to invite people from each country to design their own versions of our classic contour bottle, billing it “Folk-art, Coke art”.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 04:20 AM   #143
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So to be able to pass judgement on any Olympic host city you have to had visited the city istelf. I have never visited Syndey, nor have I ever been to Beijing, however I do have favorable opinions of both games. By your logic then there would be no need for such threads since I really doubt many forumers ahve even been to half of the cities which have hosted the games.

For you to make the assertion that the IOC should have "picked a better host city" you would have to actually KNOW something about Atlanta - firsthand. No one with half a brain would criticize a city without having actually visited it. You obviously have obtained your negative viewpoint from your local media, not from personal experience. I can't imagine publicly criticizing anything without actually seeing and experiencing it.


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I never implied that any games organizing committes should turn down sponsorships fro major companies like Coke. However the marketing campaign by major companies, especially Coke (which has its headquarters in Atlanta) went to a level never before seen at any previous or later Olympic games. Take an excerpt from an article.......
So Coca-Cola's marketing campaign ruined Atlanta's Games? I didn't notice at all...what I noticed was the athletic competition, which is pretty much the point of the Olympics. Coca-Cola is one of the major sponsors of the Olympic Games - there was a Coca-Cola Exhibition Center and other commercialism in Bejing...are you bad-mouthing the Bejing Olympics for the "rampant commercialism"? I guess Bejing didn't pick up the "Coca-Cola Olympics" nickname since the company isn't headquartered there...

Coca-Cola Exhibition Center, Bejing Olympics

http://en.beijing2008.cn/culture/hea...14533161.shtml

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Bejing Olympics and Coca-Cola
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Old September 11th, 2008, 07:37 AM   #144
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Yeah see now you have ruined Beijing games for me
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Old September 11th, 2008, 10:02 AM   #145
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That doesn't answer what I said though. If you had read my post you would have seen that I admitted that Atlanta's formula of over-commercializing the games is profitable, however, it takes away from the spirit of the games and what the Olympics are really about. That is why Atlanta 1996 is viewed with such a negative impression throughout these forums (and probably the world in general). There was a huge lack of anything......Olympic.

As for the Athens games and the debt. The country was in debt before the Olympics anyways. Contraty to what some may think, the Olympics are looked at in a pretty positivel ight in Athens bcause of the improvements the city made in infastructure. Anyone who saw the city before the Olympics will know what I am talking about. A new metro system (and improvements to the existing line, new highways around Athens, improvements to major Athenian avenues making driving in the city much easier, expanded and modernized public transportation, etc....

All in all, as a resident of Athens I can say that the benefits out weigh the costs.
I totally agree! Thank you.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 10:05 AM   #146
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How ridiculous and utterly ignorant to compare those two photos - the first, a photo of the completed Olympic venue area strangely devoid of people and traffic, almost appearing to be a model...the second, an obviously under-construction side street photo taken underneath the stands of an incomplete Olympic Stadium.

Great! Finally an non-biased opinion from a non-bitter resident of a non-Olympic city.
Toronto lost the bid in 1990 to Atlanta as well. He's just another sore loser.
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So Coca-Cola's marketing campaign ruined Atlanta's Games? I didn't notice at all...what I noticed was the athletic competition, which is pretty much the point of the Olympics. Coca-Cola is one of the major sponsors of the Olympic Games - there was a Coca-Cola Exhibition Center and other commercialism in Bejing...are you bad-mouthing the Bejing Olympics for the "rampant commercialism"? I guess Bejing didn't pick up the "Coca-Cola Olympics" nickname since the company isn't headquartered there...
Thank you! I agree! I was actually there in 1996. It was such a moving experience. To see the cauldron lit and to actually drive down 75/85 connector with no problems. What a fantastic time.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 11:57 AM   #148
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Athens v Atlanta?

Athens wins easily, daylight 2nd.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 12:02 PM   #149
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mine is bigger.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #150
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As an Athenian, I think the 2004 games were great and all the facilities were excellent; it is also true that the city has benefited hugely from them.

But I am also sure that we were in no way ready to host the 1996 Olympics. I haven't been to Atlanta so I have no opinion about it; but I can say for sure that it turned out to be a good thing that we didn't get the '96 games. It gave us time to prepare properly for '04.

Anyway, the Olympics are about friendly competition. No point in turning this thread into a "mine's bigger than yours" thing, as someone rightly said... :-)
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Old September 11th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #151
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Old September 11th, 2008, 12:33 PM   #152
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no nooo NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Old September 11th, 2008, 12:50 PM   #153
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Read all three volumes. And accept defeat. http://olympic-museum.de/o-reports/report1996.htm
Is this suppose to be an answer to my post? What do the Official Repost of the Atlanra Games has to do with my post?..

Read all two volumes and watch the DVD. And accept defeat.
http://olympic-museum.de/o-reports/report2004.htm
Is this a proper answer to your post?
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Old September 11th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #154
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I don't get this assumption that many people have, assuming that Greeks have some personal agenda against the 96 games because Athens wasn't awarded them. I speak for many Athenians in saying that I am glad Athens was not awarded the Olympics in 1996. The city would not have been ready, and the games would have been a total mess.
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Anyway, the Olympics are about friendly competition. No point in turning this thread into a "mine's bigger than yours" thing, as someone rightly said... :-)
Thank you! I agree. I just felt compelled to defend my city's olympics. I was born in the metro Atlanta area and things people are saying get me angry because they don't know what the Olympics meant to us. And savas in the first volume read about the bid process.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 06:55 PM   #156
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Please? There was only one traffic accident during the Paralympics and this had nothing to do with terrorism!!!! Also the ATHOC decided to cancel the artistic part of the closing Ceremony of the Paralympic Games as a sign of respect to the sorrow of the families.

I dont know where do you got those "infos" about 2 "tourorists attacks" masterpaul!
Sorry it was 2 accidents, sorry about the terrororist part. Both were buses
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Read all two volumes and watch the DVD. And accept defeat.
I was talking about Athens losing the 1996 bid. Read about the bid process.
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Old September 11th, 2008, 11:48 PM   #158
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On the subject of Atlanta's commercialism: the assertion that they went too far has always been noted, whether by visitors, media, or the IOC itself. The prime example is that the city licensed street vendors during the Games. It made it possible for NON-Olympic sponsors to have a big, collective presence at the event. It supposedly made for a tacky and blatant money making scene around Atlanta's thoroughfares.

Thing with Atlanta 1996 is that yes it probably had a bit too much issues than your average Games - overwhelmed traffic plans, faulty scoring systems... But it also shined where other cities have struggled with - the stadiums and arenas were packed (this is something that has affected the last three Games - Athens, Torino, Beijing), and the venues and the Games themselves left a positive legacy; no debt was left over, only a profit.
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Athens 2004

Just for the huge mega-hypage of the main stadium.

When in reality its a completely boring 80s boll, with terrible facilities with a fancy roof on top.
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Athens 2004

Just for the huge mega-hypage of the main stadium.

When in reality its a completely boring 80s boll, with terrible facilities with a fancy roof on top.
Who, that really matters, mega-hyped it?

And I've never read or heard of any athletes, officials, or media complaining about terrible facilities.
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