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View Poll Results: The worst Olympic Stadium ever?
1896 Athens 3 1.02%
1900 Paris 5 1.69%
1904 St. Louis 48 16.27%
1908 London 0 0%
1912 Stockholm 1 0.34%
1920 Antwerp 3 1.02%
1924 Paris 3 1.02%
1928 Amsterdam 2 0.68%
1932 L.A. 1 0.34%
1936 Berlin 3 1.02%
1948 London 2 0.68%
1952 Helsink 5 1.69%
1956 Melbourne 5 1.69%
1960 Rome 2 0.68%
1964 Tokyo 5 1.69%
1968 Mexico 11 3.73%
1972 Munich 1 0.34%
1976 Montreal 11 3.73%
1980 Moscow 17 5.76%
1984 L.A. 8 2.71%
1988 Seoul 6 2.03%
1992 Bercelona 14 4.75%
1996 Atlanta 105 35.59%
2000 Sydney 6 2.03%
2004 Athens 16 5.42%
2008 Beijing 12 4.07%
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Old February 11th, 2009, 10:30 AM   #161
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For you to make the assertion that the IOC should have "picked a better host city" you would have to actually KNOW something about Atlanta - firsthand. No one with half a brain would criticize a city without having actually visited it. You obviously have obtained your negative viewpoint from your local media, not from personal experience. I can't imagine publicly criticizing anything without actually seeing and experiencing it.




So Coca-Cola's marketing campaign ruined Atlanta's Games? I didn't notice at all...what I noticed was the athletic competition, which is pretty much the point of the Olympics. Coca-Cola is one of the major sponsors of the Olympic Games - there was a Coca-Cola Exhibition Center and other commercialism in Bejing...are you bad-mouthing the Bejing Olympics for the "rampant commercialism"? I guess Bejing didn't pick up the "Coca-Cola Olympics" nickname since the company isn't headquartered there...

Coca-Cola Exhibition Center, Bejing Olympics

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Kinda interesting how all the shit-talking stopped after this post...
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Old February 12th, 2009, 03:28 AM   #162
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Well, the Atlanta stadium really wasn't all that great in my humble opinion.
And the games weren't the best either.
But complaining that the stadium doesn't have a roof is absolutely silly and ridiculous. Anyone who has been, better lived in Atlanta or in the US in a state with simmilar climate like Georgia would know that a stadium there simply just doesn't need a roof. It's not like the weather in Atlanta is any simmilar to that in London, or Oslo or in South Africa.
In Atlanta you just don't need a roof for an olympic stadium at all. It's not too cold and not so extremely hot taht you need the shade.
I believe most sports are outdoor sports anyways.
And in fact I personally dislike the new way with many arenas where the roofs are closed for comfort rather than out of necessity.
In the soccer worldcup 06 for example they closed the roof in Frankfurt because the sun was shining, the reason was that it gave a better TV picture, because of the otherwise distracting shadows of the "spidernet" over the pitch.
And in winter, when it snows, then when one would really need a roof, then they cannot close it, because it can't hold the weight of the snow. The roof of the Commerzbankarena in Frankfurt is not allowed to be closed from November until April.
So by now, I truely belive in Frankfurt for example, but also in some other cases, they better shouldn't have made the roof be fully closable over the entire arena including the pitch.
And in fact any fully closed stadiumroof just makes the outdoorsports an indoor event then. In soccer there were several pretty spectacular matches when it snowed. And as long as one can still resonably play soccer, it's all fair and interesting. The weather naturally is a part of any outdoor sport.
So I cannot really understand this roofmania of many modern stadia or arenas and to get to an end now... a roof in the olympic stadium in Atlanta would have been just pretty much useless and just a complete waste of money.
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I don't get this assumption that many people have, assuming that Greeks have some personal agenda against the 96 games because Athens wasn't awarded them. I speak for many Athenians in saying that I am glad Athens was not awarded the Olympics in 1996. The city would not have been ready, and the games would have been a total mess.
exactly.

What sort of debt was Athens looking at in 2005 compared to 2009 due to the Games? I assume tax revenues were not sufficient to fund the Games?
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St.Louise and Antwerp are the worst for me...
And,2008 Beijing is the best!
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Old February 12th, 2009, 11:42 AM   #165
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exactly.

What sort of debt was Athens looking at in 2005 compared to 2009 due to the Games? I assume tax revenues were not sufficient to fund the Games?
I strongly disagree with that. Regarding the fact that the city would have the same time to prepare, Athens would have been ready for the 1996 Games too as it was in 2004. As for the Olympic Stadium, this has been used before the Olympics as it it wasn't build for them. It was build for the 1982 European Championships, used for the 1991 Mediterranean Games, the 1997 World Championships in Athletics, for many European Cup/UEFA Champions League finals. It has been used by Hellenic National Football team and has been/is the home of of AEK Athens and Panathinaikos and Olympiakos Piraeus.
It also hosts great events such as concerts with Madonna's concert of the Sticky & Sweet Tour as the last one with 75.637 viewers.

The Athens Olympic Stadium is a fantastic stadion and its existence and value for Athens and Greece has been never questioned here.

I can understand your bitterness about Cape Town losing the Games to Athens but perhaps you should look forward to the 2010 World Cup. There is much to do in the next 2 years.
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I strongly disagree with that. Regarding the fact that the city would have the same time to prepare, Athens would have been ready for the 1996 Games too as it was in 2004. As for the Olympic Stadium, this has been used before the Olympics as it it wasn't build for them. It was build for the 1982 European Championships, used for the 1991 Mediterranean Games, the 1997 World Championships in Athletics, for many European Cup/UEFA Champions League finals. It has been used by Hellenic National Football team and has been/is the home of of AEK Athens and Panathinaikos and Olympiakos Piraeus.
It also hosts great events such as concerts with Madonna's concert of the Sticky & Sweet Tour as the last one with 75.637 viewers.

The Athens Olympic Stadium is a fantastic stadion and its existence and value for Athens and Greece has been never questioned here.

I can understand your bitterness about Cape Town losing the Games to Athens but perhaps you should look forward to the 2010 World Cup. There is much to do in the next 2 years.

Here we go again.


Let's just end this here. We all know how psycho you guys get.
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Is this an answer to my post? Or just a foretaste of psycho-behaviour?
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Athens 2004

Just for the huge mega-hypage of the main stadium.

When in reality its a completely boring 80s boll, with terrible facilities with a fancy roof on top.
Yeah I hate how the Greeks claim it's the best olympic stadium...it has a pretty roof but that's it...
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as i said. it ends there. most of us have witnessed the outbursts and rubbish from the crazy athens bunch. i certainly didn't expect it from you.
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as i said. it ends there. most of us have witnessed the outbursts and rubbish from the crazy athens bunch. i certainly didn't expect it from you.
You are just projecting an immature behaviour here, judging someone's opinions merely by his nationality. I do not blame you, you 're probably just so young and uneducated that you probably believe the world progresses only due to english-speaking culture. Yes,according to your mentality, we greeks are rude, because we never had the ability to be colonised by the british and thus be never injected with the virtues of true sportsmanship and submission! It is irritating how the ex-colonies (mainly australians and sometimes americans) usually start these grunges against Athens (yes I know you 're from SA and i'm not going to get back on you critisising the 2010 preparation and setbacks-unlike your kin did in 2004), so guys, whatever that may be, get over it!
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You are just projecting an unmature behaviour here, judging someone's opinions merely by his nationality. I do not blame you, you 're probably so young and uneducated that you probably believe the world progresses only because there is english-speaking culture. Yes, we greeks are rude, because never having the ability to be colonised by the british we were never injected with trhe virtues of true sportsmanship and submission! It is gunny how the ex-colonies (mainly australians and sometimes americans) usually start these grunges against Athens (yes I know you 're from SA and i'm not going to get back on you critisising the 2010 preparation and setbacks-unlike your kin did in 2004), so guys, get over it!
...Seems to me that someone has a serious chip on his shoulder.

Why the sudden outburst about Britain? Seems rather gratuitous.
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...Seems to me that someone has a serious chip on his shoulder.

Why the sudden outburst about Britain? Seems rather gratuitous.
No it's the Colonies and their colonial nerve, I'm up against...!
Their cultural immaturity has drawn even the metropolis down the drain!
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...Seems to me that someone has a serious chip on his shoulder.

Why the sudden outburst about Britain? Seems rather gratuitous.
its started already. one must not feed the craziness.
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its started already. one must not feed the craziness.
I personally blame you for consistent empathy and hypocrisy against the 2004 competition and everything related to it. It must be really sad to know that you are just one of those narrowminded members of the hordes that were pittyfully misguided by the Murdoch media propaganda back in those times, doesn't it?
Hope there are no more setbacks in 2010 venues, although I fear people travelling in Johnanna or the Cape next year should not carry a lot with them if they want to come back home alive.
Just a small reminder that what goes around comes around. I'm done with it already.
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I personally blame you for consistent empathy and hypocrisy against the 2004 competition and everything related to it. It must be really sad to know that you are just one of those narrowminded members of the hordes that were pittyfully misguided by the Murdoch media propaganda back in those times, doesn't it?
Hope there are no more setbacks in 2010 venues, although I fear people travelling in Johnanna or the Cape next year should not carry a lot with them if they want to come back home alive.
Just a small reminder that what goes around comes around
. I'm done with it already.
Why the trolling?

Really.........it's very dull.
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I personally blame you for consistent empathy and hypocrisy against the 2004 competition and everything related to it. It must be really sad to know that you are just one of those narrowminded members of the hordes that were pittyfully misguided by the Murdoch media propaganda back in those times, doesn't it?
Hope there are no more setbacks in 2010 venues, although I fear people travelling in Johnanna or the Cape next year should not carry a lot with them if they want to come back home alive.
Just a small reminder that what goes around comes around. I'm done with it already.
You're personally blaming someone you've never even met for all the animosity against the Athens Games? Wow. Mo Rush must have more world influence than I thought. I guess Mo Rush and Rupert Murdoch must be the heads of some massive media conspiracy, plotting ways of having people remember the Athens games badly. Tsk tsk.
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It seems everyone's focused on the actual 'games' rather than the stadium.

Focusing on the stadium (for one slight second, then you can all go back to arguing about Athens and Atlanta) it's easy to see that Montreal had a woeful stadium. Just look at what's become of it. Read the Wiki page on it.

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Background and Architecture

The stadium was designed by French architect Roger Taillibert to be a very elaborate facility featuring a retractable roof, which was to be opened and closed by a huge 175-metre (approx. 574 ft) tower – the tallest inclined structure in the world, six metres (20 ft) taller than the Washington Monument, and the sixth tallest building in Montreal. The design of the stadium is remarkably similar to the Australia Pavilion at Expo '70 in Osaka by Queensland University architect James MacCormick.

The Olympic swimming pool is located under this tower. An Olympic velodrome (since converted to the Montreal Biodome, an indoor nature museum) was situated at the base of the tower in a building similar in design to the swimming pool. The building was built as the main stadium for the 1976 Summer Olympic Games. The stadium was host to various events including: the opening and closing ceremonies, athletics, football finals, and some equestrian events.

The building's design is cited as a masterpiece of Organic Modern architecture. Taillibert based the building on plant and animal forms, aiming to include vertebral structures with sinewy or tentacles, while still following the basic plans of Modern architecture.

Construction

As construction was well underway, a labour strike caused a major delay to the building of the tower. The roof languished in a warehouse in France until 1982. It was not until 1987, over a decade later, that both the tower and roof were completed, officially completing construction of the stadium as originally designed.

Opening

Problems plagued the stadium from the time it opened for the Olympic Games, when it was only half built.

Seating 58,500 at the time, the stadium was not fully completed in time for the Games due to problems with the unusual design and strikes by construction workers, leaving it without a tower or roof for the opening and several years following. Both the tower and the roof, made of over 60,000 square feet (5,575 square metres) of Kevlar, were not completed for over a decade, and it was not until 1988 that it was possible to retract the roof. The 65-ton roof then proved difficult to retract, and could not be used at all in winds greater than 25 mph. This resulted in the unique phenomenon of a rain delay in a covered stadium during baseball season whenever rain was accompanied by high winds. It was also torn during particularly windy conditions.

Stadium financing

Despite initial projections in 1970 that the stadium would cost only C$134 million to construct, strikes and construction delays served to escalate these costs. By the time the stadium opened (in an unfinished form), the total costs had risen to C$264 million.

The Quebec government introduced a special tobacco tax in May 1976 to help recoup its investment. By 2006, the amount contributed to the Olympic Installations Board accounted for 8% of the tax revenue earned from cigarette sales. The 1976 special tobacco tax act stipulated that once the stadium was paid off, ownership of the facility would be returned back to the City of Montreal.

In mid-November 2006 the stadium's costs were finally paid in full. The total expenditure (including repairs, renovations, construction, interest, and inflation) amounted to C$1.61 billion. Despite initial plans to complete payment in October 2006, an indoor smoking ban introduced in May 2006 curtailed the revenue gathered by the tobacco tax. Perceived by many to be a white elephant, the stadium has also been dubbed The Big Owe, Uh-O or The Big Mistake.

Continuing problems

Although not completed in time for the 1976 Olympics, construction on finishing the tower recommenced in the 1980s. During this period, however, a large fire set the tower ablaze, causing damage and forcing a scheduled Expos home game to be postponed. In 1986, a large chunk of the tower fell onto the playing field during another Expos game.

In 1987 an orange-coloured Kevlar retractable roof was installed, finally completing the stadium a decade late; however, soon after it was put into use it ripped on several occasions due to design flaw. In the months that followed, it was plagued by further rips and even leaks whenever it rained, bringing water down into the stadium.

Due to claims of being a poor venue for baseball, the stadium was remodeled in 1991, with 12,000 seats being removed for Expos games. Most of those seats were in a distant section of the center field stands.

On September 8 of that year, support beams snapped and caused a 55-ton concrete slab to fall on to an exterior walkway. No one was injured, but the Expos had to move their final 13 home games of that season to the opponents' cities. For the 1992 season, it was decided to keep the roof closed at all times. The Kevlar roof was removed in May 1998, making the stadium open-air for the 1998 season. Later in 1998, a $26 million opaque blue roof was installed which does not open.

In January 1999, a 350 square metre portion of the roof collapsed, dumping ice and snow on workers that were setting up for the annual Montreal Auto Show. This led to the auto show leaving Olympic Stadium for good. Repaired once again, the roof has been modified to better react to the winter conditions. The OIB has installed a network of pipes to circulate heated water under the roof to allow for snow melting. Despite these corrective measures, the stadium floor had remained closed from December to March. The contractors, manufacturers and engineers of the roof are now being sued for the roof failure.

The stadium's condition suffered considerably in the early 21st century. During the Expos' final years in Montreal, it was coated with grime. Much of the concrete was chipped, stained, and soiled. In 2009, the Stadium received approval to remain open in the winter, provided weather conditions are favourable.
Montreal's Olympic Stadium wasn't even complete by the time the Olympics were held! The design was a good idea, but executed badly. To all the Montreal forumers, I'm sorry, you have a great city. But your stadium really is rather naff.
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I personally blame you for consistent empathy and hypocrisy against the 2004 competition and everything related to it. It must be really sad to know that you are just one of those narrowminded members of the hordes that were pittyfully misguided by the Murdoch media propaganda back in those times, doesn't it?
Hope there are no more setbacks in 2010 venues, although I fear people travelling in Johnanna or the Cape next year should not carry a lot with them if they want to come back home alive.
Just a small reminder that what goes around comes around. I'm done with it already.
Troll.
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Another "feel-free-to expose your empathy" fest.

Sercan don't let this kind of threads open man.
It's more than obvious reading the title "The worst Olympic Stadium ever?" what kind of behaviours will attract and where will lead.
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