Nova Gorica - Gorizia

[Der Goerzer]

Velika Gorica

Grande Gorizia

Grand Guriza

I believe could be nice to have a discussion about the future of Gorizia and NovaGorica. As we all know, the cities are intertwined and their biggest hope for the future is to completely integrate.

The total population of a conurbation including Gorizia, Savogna, Nova Gorica, Sempeter-Vrtojba plus immediate sorroundings would be about 80,000 inhabitants. Thus making it the third city in Friuli Venezia Giulia (italian region) and third city of Slovenia (or am I wrong?).

The cities are tight close, but the infrastructures still don't overlap completely. There's much work to do, this could be a dream for an urban developer and architects, a bit like West and East Berlin.

Ok, just to give it a start, I attach a picture explaining the situation clearly:



(edit: image doesnt seem to show up, go to link: http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?i...rzarea1em9.png)

[DinoBond007]

The first thing to do is to completely delete border - connect all streets, roads and other ways, then would be a good thing to do is joined city bus, then also existing train routes could go into other city, concerts could be on border line etc...

[LoKeY]

Interesting hehe

Bus line Groizia - Nova Gorica has been running since 2004 and it costs 1€, other than that Nova Gorica bus fares are free.

[DinoBond007]

Originally Posted by LoKeY

Interesting hehe

Bus line Groizia - Nova Gorica has been running since 2004 and it costs 1€, other than that Nova Gorica bus fares are free.

Whole bus lines should be new and should be running in town(s) like in one single city!

[Verso]

Originally Posted by Der Goerzer

Thus making it the third city of Slovenia

Guys from Celje will kill ya.

[DinoBond007]

Originally Posted by Verso

Guys from Celje will kill ya.

Why???

[zia the cashew]

Because celje is at the moment third biggest city in slovenia...

[Metrodusa]

Originally Posted by DinoBond007

Why???

Celje is currently the third biggest city in Slovenia (if we do not count Trst as a part of Slovenia).

[DinoBond007]

Originally Posted by Metrodusa

Celje is currently the third biggest city in Slovenia (if we do not count Trst as a part of Slovenia).

If we would count Trst than we also can count Celovec andalso Beljak, but i don't know how many people live in Beljak!
And what then if Celje wouldn't be anymore on third place, I wouldn't mind that! But even if this happen Nova Gorica would still have same population as before...

[LoKeY]

U can't count any city outside of Slovenia as a part of Slovenia. We don't have any official collonies. I thought that was/is logical...

[Der Goerzer]

I understand your confusion.

What I meant is that - under a simply urban point of view - Gorizia, NG and Sempeter are already one city. And if we look at both FVG region and Slovenia, as far as I know this is the overall top10:

1) Ljubljana
2) Triest/Trieste/Trst
3) Maribor
4) Udin/Udine
5) "Greater GO"
6) Pordenon/Pordenone
7) Celje
8) Kranj
9) Koper/Capodistria
10) Novo Mesto

Anyway, please everybody avoid any nationalist attempt in this topic. I don't feel really italian, but neither I do feel slovenian. I'm just proud of my region (Küstenland/Litorale/Primorska) and I'm a strong European patriot.

ok, back to topic.

DinoBond is right, the first thing to do should be work on the road network. close to Transalpina/Woheiner/Bohinjska trainstation (former North Gorizia, now Nova Gorica) goes the border, and there you see one striking idiot thing: two parallel roads running by, divided by a wall. each of them quite narrow! and in the same square in front of train station, no more wall (so we look cool) but they placed flower stoney baskets, so you can't pass the border with car.

same thing goes with many other roads.
although, something is moving...

for example, the shorter way to connect Gorizia and NG town centres is no more the outskirts road coming from CasaRossa/RoznaDolina border point (which enters NG from south-east, under Panovec tunnel); but the again opened to traffic central road of S.Gabriele/Erjavceva. the ancient name of the road is "of the Graveyard" because it leaded to the big graveyard, located where now is NG townhall

it's a straight long road, along with Corso Italia/Verdi, the longest urban road in the conglomeration. I would love to see it renamed "Europe avenue" (viale Europa, Evropska ulica).

all border points have been opened to traffic apart one: Rafut/Pristava one, just behind Gorizia castle (ancient name Prestau). it's still a walk-only passage, and this annoyed me a lot because would be my shortest way to go to LJ... (they planted those antitraffic columns right after opening up the border!)

by the way, this online map KICKS ASS.
http://www.nova-gorica.si/karta_mesta/index.html

[Metrodusa]

Originally Posted by LoKeY

U can't count any city outside of Slovenia as a part of Slovenia. We don't have any official collonies. I thought that was/is logical...

I also thought that a part of a country can not just be annexed to another, but the example of Trieste tells us otherwise. That's why I still count Trieste as a Slovenian, not an Italian city.

[Der Goerzer]

Originally Posted by Metrodusa

I also thought that a part of a country can not just be annexed to another, but the example of Trieste tells us otherwise. That's why I still count Trieste as a Slovenian, not an Italian city.

Triest once upon a time: biggest slovenian city, but still, with an italian majority.
and most important, build and ruled by austrian people.

so I guess whatever state would annex it, it would be something wrong.

we must be united now that we are all in EU!

[Verso]

Why would anyone count Trieste as part of Slovenia? And it's not like Koper or Sežana can count as its suburbs.

[LoKeY]

I know what u meant with the 2 roads.. it looks stupid now, and that fence in the middle while you're on the way to the supposed monument of openness of borders is just a joke



The square, however, has those flower pots there, because it's supposed to be a car-free zone, and i don't think cars will ever be allowed to cross the square. The centre circle is also raised quite high above ground level for the exact same reason.
The area has huge potential tho

[Der Goerzer]

ah ok... well... it would be a nice roundabout though

[Verso]

Actually the biggest city that's attracted by Slovenia's gravity, is Zagreb.

[Bedanec]

Verso i didn't quite understand you. Could you clarify your point about Zagreb's (cultural) influence extremely attracting towards Slovenia?

[LoKeY]

iono if anyone got what he meant

[DinoBond007]

Verso, you are posting (very) stupid comments!!!!