Nova Gorica - Gorizia

[LoKeY]

Originally Posted by Der Goerzer

ah ok... well... it would be a nice roundabout though

That's what the hysterical people who live on Via S. Gabriele suggested after their street became busy with traffic again. Apparently living there now is hell on earth and even their clothes, drying outside, are gray from the traffic Looks like they never saw a normal city road before. But now that parking has been limited to only one side, the road is great and wide enough. One thing tho - wish the Italian side would take down that boot on the border already, they don't seem to care much, that's untill some old lady going home from a casino hits it, like so many sidewalks here

[Der Goerzer]

yeah... I don't get these people living in that road. just because the road used to be deadend, doesn't mean it would be forever. it's a wide road, not a narrow historical one. so they should shut up.

have you ever gone to Italy by Kostanjevica hill? crazy huh? the path in the bush lol.

I wish they poured down a little stripe of asphalt, and put up some signs. it's a nice path, unknown to tourists. should be a pedwalk from "palazzo Attems" to the sanctuary.

[LoKeY]

Originally Posted by Der Goerzer

have you ever gone to Italy by Kostanjevica hill? crazy huh? the path in the bush lol.

Oh I haven't been there yet actually, a friend and I once saw there was some run down "ancient" path there so we wanted to see where it went (this was some 9 years back tho) and a few meters down there were 2 Slovenian policemen with a dog in full alert for some illegal imigrants staring at us, so we backed off ) I go up that hill quite frequently tho.. and i bet noone knows about that path on our side either, cause leterally like u said "path in the bush" There are however those small chapels all along the way, aren't there?

[Verso]

Originally Posted by Bedanec

Verso i didn't quite understand you. Could you clarify your point about Zagreb's (cultural) influence extremely attracting towards Slovenia?

It's close to Slovenia, I don't know where you got that culture.

Originally Posted by DinoBond007

Verso, you are posting (very) stupid comments!!!!

Look who's talking. You could be friend with Radi. Great sig, btw.

[Der Goerzer]

Originally Posted by LoKeY

Oh I haven't been there yet actually, a friend and I once saw there was some run down "ancient" path there so we wanted to see where it went (this was some 9 years back tho) and a few meters down there were 2 Slovenian policemen with a dog in full alert for some illegal imigrants staring at us, so we backed off ) I go up that hill quite frequently tho.. and i bet noone knows about that path on our side either, cause leterally like u said "path in the bush" There are however those small chapels all along the way, aren't there?

you should try the way, now it's perfectly legal to trespass the "border"... you'll find it amusing to not find any sign of a real border at all. but the path is well marked in the bush by hundreds of years of pilgrimage!

there used to be a small chapel on the italian side, but now it's a private house i guess. from the italian side, it was the pilgrims road to the sanctuary.

what I love in our city is that you can go in 5 minutes walking from a busy street to some hill with cows too

by the way, there's an utopia which always fascinated me:
"Greater GO" as a new European federal capital?

I know it's very little. but look at maps: this area is the only in Europe where all 3 main cultures mix (germanic, slavic, lathin). the exact place would be around Tarvis and Kranjska Gora, but those are villages.

while Gorizia/Gorica is a unique city REALLY on a border, with both slavic and lathin populations AND austrian heritage (all ancient buildings, name of noble families, etc - been under Wien since 1501, before Salzburg!)

another pick would be Triest. sure bigger and more famous, but if I may say, where the hell do you put all Euro infrastructures? the city is narrow between Karst and sea, and still is NOT on a border...

Gorizia still has a flat good area to build a whole new "city", it's north of Montesanto, left of Solkan.

yes yes I know I'm just kidding, no way Europe would "move" in here, but just imagine!

[LoKeY]

Originally Posted by Der Goerzer

Gorizia still has a flat good area to build a whole new "city", it's north of Montesanto, left of Solkan.

Yeah, that area appears in my wet dreams too, as a CBD with highrises and skyscrapers, sort of La Defense

[antenor]

Originally Posted by Der Goerzer

you should try the way, now it's perfectly legal to trespass the "border"... you'll find it amusing to not find any sign of a real border at all. but the path is well marked in the bush by hundreds of years of pilgrimage!

there used to be a small chapel on the italian side, but now it's a private house i guess. from the italian side, it was the pilgrims road to the sanctuary.

what I love in our city is that you can go in 5 minutes walking from a busy street to some hill with cows too

by the way, there's an utopia which always fascinated me:
"Greater GO" as a new European federal capital?

I know it's very little. but look at maps: this area is the only in Europe where all 3 main cultures mix (germanic, slavic, lathin). the exact place would be around Tarvis and Kranjska Gora, but those are villages.

while Gorizia/Gorica is a unique city REALLY on a border, with both slavic and lathin populations AND austrian heritage (all ancient buildings, name of noble families, etc - been under Wien since 1501, before Salzburg!)

another pick would be Triest. sure bigger and more famous, but if I may say, where the hell do you put all Euro infrastructures? the city is narrow between Karst and sea, and still is NOT on a border...

Gorizia still has a flat good area to build a whole new "city", it's north of Montesanto, left of Solkan.

yes yes I know I'm just kidding, no way Europe would "move" in here, but just imagine!

wow cool idea, i'd also like the cities to merge more functionally, nice thread

[DinoBond007]

Originally Posted by Verso

It's close to Slovenia, I don't know where you got that culture.

Look who's talking. You could be friend with Radi. Great sig, btw.

Your words have no sence but that what I said has a point! You are talking about Zagreb here which has nothing to do with Slovenia, those Slovenians who live in Zagreb have moved down there but those Slovenians who live in Gorica, Trst or Celovec have been there from always because those cities used to be in Slovenia!!!

[Verso]

Don't push yourself too much, you might get a heart attack.

[Der Goerzer]

pardon

Triest and Görz never have been part of Slovenia. nothing against this idea, I really like Slovenia, but... that's just a lie unfortunately.

Slovenia, considering its current borders, is a modern entity. it finds roots mostly in the province of Krain, but also in southern Steiermark. of course now it includes about half of the province of Küstenland. but the difference is that this region has always had only two capital cities: Triest on local area, Wien on upper level. Slovenians were the main ethnic part, but still no more than 60% of total. the tradition and identity of Küstenland was: MIXTURE. you couldnt place Küstenland among the german, slavic or hungarian provinces of the Empire. it was one of the few completely mixed areas. friulians and italians mostly lived on the coastline and had majority in the cities. slovenians lived in the mountains and hillside. croatians in inner Istria. austrians were few and lived almost only in biggest cities. but most important, there was a high number of mixed-race people. because this was normal, there was not much ethnic fight.
when italians invaded the Empire and conquered Küstenland, they started being racist. this worstened ethnic relations of course. and then, it went worst and worst with second world war and the crazy border cutting towns and villages. massive immigration from southern Italy and from Serbia, in order to interrupt historical ties between slavic and lathin people of area.

therefore, this debate is unnecessary.
let's go back to topic please

[Verso]

We deserve to be ruled by the Habsburgs. Good ole' times...

[Kampflamm]

Shouldn't the thread title be Großgörz?

[Der Goerzer]

my german is not very good.

I wanted to translate the formula used for places like London: "Greater London". which is right?

[Kampflamm]

Greater Berlin = Großberlin/Groß-Berlin. I think Groß-Görz sounds best.

[Der Goerzer]

good news.

they will build a big roundabout by the border of CasaRossa/RoznaDolina (former name Rosental), on the italian side. right now, in order to reach Slovenia you must take a longer road passing around the vast parking area. it's impossible to reach Slovenia directly from via Alviano (and so center of city): the road coming out of border is one-way only in the last piece before crossroad.



other funny thing: italians living in the northenmost part of the city and arriving by RA (raccordo autostradale, expressway link) from south, usually exit from that in Slovenia (Sempeter) and enter in Italy back after. this because they avoid Gorizia centre, which is usually busy with traffic. while on other side, many roads are 70 km/h.

[LoKeY]

^thank god about that roundabout.. that section is terrible, oneway here there, straight lane here right there . Btw, dunno what the deal is with that stretch of road leading from Gorizia cementery towards Miren (Merna), there's the old (ex?) airport on one side and a couple of industrial buildings on the other, the road is straight, no curves and yet the speed limit is painful 50km/h.. seems like forever to go trough that and most of the time cops lurk on drivers there.. there should be at least 60 if not 70km/h limit..

[Der Goerzer]

Originally Posted by LoKeY

^thank god about that roundabout.. that section is terrible, oneway here there, straight lane here right there . Btw, dunno what the deal is with that stretch of road leading from Gorizia cementery towards Miren (Merna), there's the old (ex?) airport on one side and a couple of industrial buildings on the other, the road is straight, no curves and yet the speed limit is painful 50km/h.. seems like forever to go trough that and most of the time cops lurk on drivers there.. there should be at least 60 if not 70km/h limit..

I absolutely agree

have you heard about those houses built in Italy by Slovenian firm, and sold on slovenian market?

that's some interesting signal. I wonder if they have any problem living "abroad"... I mean bureaucracy and stuff.

[pijanec]

There shouldn't be any problems.

Originally Posted by LoKeY

the road is straight, no curves and yet the speed limit is painful 50km/h..

Aren't things like this quite common in Italy? I don't travel often to Italy but my friends told me about weird speed limits.

[Der Goerzer]

Originally Posted by pijanec

There shouldn't be any problems.



Aren't things like this quite common in Italy? I don't travel often to Italy but my friends told me about weird speed limits.

yes quite common.

higher speed limit requires better pavement of road, and so money.

but most important, in Italy houses come before roads. this means that if there is just one private house on the way, they will make a fuss about not increasing the speed limit. because then, the house people would complain about having their own life "endangered by crazy racers"

back to the Slovenians in Gorizia... I think they won't get italian citizenship. but still, they will live and possess a house in Italy. how does this work? who they will pay taxes to? garbage tax to Italy and job tax to Slovenia?

[pijanec]

Yes. They will pay a lot of Slovenian taxes like they would live in Slovenia, except for services which are provided by Italy.