Nova Gorica - Gorizia

[LoKeY]

great news, the track would be, of course, electrified, i hope... we need to get rid of at least some of old diesels... they're well beyond their time

[Verso]

Originally Posted by Der Goerzer

Further projects aim at building a new railway between NovaGorica and Ljubljana, in order to finally stop the embarassing isolation.

I doubt this will happen. It may be embarrassing, but you have to admit that this new railway would go from Ljubljana to pretty much "nowhere". Sorry to express myself like that, but Nova Gorica is a town of only 20,000 inhabitants. It wouldn't matter, if it was on a transit rail corridor, but it isn't. You can add the population of Gorizia and get some 70,000 people, which is already more (and of course all the population along the railway). But, even the towns combined aren't terribly big, and even will all the Schengen stuff, cross-border movements are still quite limited. It's like that even in Benelux, with their almost-50-year free borders. Countries are still important. I'd instead improve the existing line(s) and introduce faster trains. After all we're talking about railway, which can't compete with road.

[Der Goerzer]

thing is, everyone in my region doubts there will ever be the famous Corridor 5 (high-speed railway from Spain to Hungary).

there are projects of course, and this train should run from Venezia to Triest to Ljubljana...

but look, they did not even start the work on the french-italian border. a Trenitalia manager has said that trains between Venezia and Triest are classified "C priority". this means, they will build Corridor5 here, when they will have money.

and with the current financial chrisis, this is even postponed. some people started thinking it would be better to build smaller railways and modernizing old ones instead. at least that could be done in a few years, without dramatic ecological damage (such as linking Triest and Koper to the Corridor5).

many other strongly proposed the high-speed railway to pass by Gorizia/NovaGorica, because of much easier topography and shorter path. but of course this has been rejected by portual authorities of Triest and Koper (which could have been connected with short, quick, freight-only trains).

my opinion?
there won't be any NG-LJ railway, and no highspeed train between Venezia and Ljubljana. at least until 2030.

[Verso]

Oh, so you're for the V. Corridor to run through Gorizia/Nova Gorica, and not Trieste. This of course changes the perspective. But I don't know what will be in the end.

[LoKeY]

this is what i found on trieste.rvnet.eu

Metropolitana leggera entro il 2017
14 Novembre 2008

Una metropolitana leggera che colleghi Trieste a Capodistria, Gorizia, Nova Gorica, Venezia, Ronchi, Lubiana. Sarà possibile a partire dal 2017.
Ieri tutte le istituzioni interessate hanno incominciato a valutare l’ipotesi di costruire questa ferrovia che potrebbe unire territori che fino ad oggi sono completamente assenti di infrastrutture. Comuni, Province, Regioni, Autorità poruali e Autorità aeroportuali si sono incontrati ieri.

L’opera potrebbe anche venir costruita con i finanziamenti dell’Unione europea se ricevesse l’ok da Bruxelles. Fondi europei e Banca europea per gli investimenti.

Lo spunto viene dal Sistema ferroviario metropolitano adottato dalla Regione Veneto dove treni ad elevata frequenza uniscono i diversi punti della regione. E’ stata l’amministrazione provinciale di Trieste ad aver avuto l’idea di riproporre la stessa cosa però questa volta con l’intenzione di unire città di regioni e nazioni diverse.

Entro marzo ci dovrebbe essere la conferma o meno se i finanziamenti ci saranno o meno. Il progetto esecutivo dovrebbe portar via altri due anni quindi i lavori.

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i'm too lazy to translate

[Verso]

Google Translate:

"Delo bi se lahko tudi zgrajena s financiranjem EU, če se zdravilo daje v redu iz Bruslja."

[LoKeY]

roflol kko lahko prevede l'ok v zdravilo mi tut ni jasno

no v glavnem, če dobi potrditev v bruslju in financiranje itd, bi se lahko začelo gradit leta 2017... Včeri se mi ni dalo prevajat, dans pa itq delam pa je dolgcajt =)

[LoKeY]

Supernova and OBI are being built on Majske poljane, next to the three towers. Should finish in 2009.

29.750 m2 of com. space
7.400 m2 of cinema halls

It will incorporate some of the old station's landmarked buildings including the old train depots turned into a market and event space and the old water tower.

[Der Goerzer]

what is Supernova?

and offtopic, foreign movies in Slovenia are translated or just subtitled?

[Struckar]

Supernova is a chain of shopping centres. Movies in Slovenia are subtitled except for some animated movies for children they are displayed usually as both synchronized and subtitled version. I am very happy that we have this because mostly a synchronized movie is totally ruined. No matter if it is a movie or a cartoon.

[Dino S]

Originally Posted by strucka

Supernova is a chain of shopping centres. Movies in Slovenia are subtitled except for some animated movies for children they are displayed usually as both synchronized and subtitled version. I am very happy that we have this because mostly a synchronized movie is totally ruined. No matter if it is a movie or a cartoon.

Good example are movies on german TV channels. Players lose their character

[LoKeY]

like when i saw x-Files on some german channel and Scully had deeper voice than Mulder
But Italians have great synchronizing skills, voices usually completely match the originals, as do the emotions. The only problem is, that the movie still isn't what it was meant to be in the original. Plus, most of them don't know squat of English, because they almost never hear it.

[pijanec]

French dubs are also great. But I support subtitles.

[Der Goerzer]

as of now, you don't have any kino in NovaGorica?

[LoKeY]

we do, in the centre, but it's hardly worth that name - kino

[LoKeY]

Gorizia Oggi

Metropolitana leggera tra Gorizia, il Veneto e la Slovenia

Una metropolitana tra Friuli Venezia Giulia, Veneto e Slovenia. Passerà anche per Gorizia la circolare metropolitana che potrebbe collegare l'area capodistriana ed i territori di Trieste e Gorizia ai tre poli aeroportuali di Ronchi dei Legionari, Venezia e Lubiana.

Sull'iniziativa verrà valutata l'assegnazione delle risorse finanziarie sui programmi di cooperazione transfrontaliera Italia-Slovenia 2007-2013. "Inizia dunque un percorso - sottolinea l'assessore regionale alla Viabilità ed ai trasporti, Riccardo Riccardi - sul quale registro...

con soddisfazione la disponibilità e la coesione di tante istituzioni, al di qua ed al di là del confine". A disposizione del progetto ci potrebbero essere 3,35 milioni di euro, di cui 400mila a carico della Regione. In particolare, il progetto - denominato ''Adria_A" - potrà essere finalizzato alla progettazione delle parti oggi mancanti alla metropolitana circolare Gorizia-NovaGorica-Sesana-Divaccia-Capodistria-Trieste-Monfalcone-Gorizia: si tratta della Trieste-Capodistria e della Gorizia-Nova Gorica, nonché dell'elettrificazione della Nova Gorica-Sesana.

[Verso]

^ Good luck. :P

[LoKeY]

wishing for a miracle would be more appropriate, i think =)

[Der Goerzer]

beware: it's not a new line. it's just a project to unify existing lines.

1) modernization of NovaGorica - Sezana line
2) improvements in the Koper-Triest area
2) new short track to Ronchi Airport (already close to line)
3) re-activation of Gorizia-NovaGorica line

and basically, that's all. a sort of railway circle, Gorizia-NG-Sezana-(Koper)-Triest-Monfalcone-airport-Gorizia.

[LoKeY]

yeh that's what the article says.. apart from that utopic NG-LJ line