Are you sympathetic to obese people?

[Eureka!]

Well, easy enough. Are you sympathetic to obese people?

I feel sorry for them as it is hard to lose weight and all the health problems brought on by it but it is hard to take some people seriously when they just go out and eat crap and then complain that they've tried hard to lose it. Some people have no self control and perseverance.

It's hard to know though as some people can't lose it due to medical difficulties etc

DISCUSS & VOTE!

[woozoo]

Fatties should spend their maccas money on a treadmill or some running shoes.

[MILIUX]

Not really. I would love it if the Federal government initiates compulsory boot camp/military service for 6 months. Perfect for grade 11-12 students. 100% success rate in delivering solutions for obese/uber-geek population.

[hellospank25]

If they don't smell bad and take good care of their personal hygiene, i am very nice to them. I have seen a lot of obese people who let themselves go too much and smell horribly. On the other hand i have seen many obese people, especially ladies, who will wear nice outfits, put on perfume, etc

[demanjo2]

double post

[Perth4life]

you have some good arguements Miliux, but some are just ridiculous, compulsary boot camp?

[demanjo2]

Its true, there arent too many fat koreans...

But yeah, im not sympathetic generally. Most obese people get there by eating crap food, and eating too much generally. Even when they know they are heading down the path, they tend not to have the courage to stop and turn around.

I do however feel sorry for obese people due to medical/genetic reasons.

Also, i support fat people having to pay more on flights. This should be based on BMI - so tall people do not pay more.

[MILIUX]

Originally Posted by Perth4life

you have some good arguements Miliux, but some are just ridiculous, compulsary boot camp?

Boot camps are fun! I did it when i was in year 9 for 3 weeks. High altitude training (2000m+) and endurance exercises.

It teaches leadership, independent autonomy, disciplinary attributes, which are essential qualities to fight against obesity (exercise and diet). If the government enforces compulsory uniform, then i don't see why boot camps are that bad. It can be done in part time basis to supplement with studies. A full day in weekday.

Embed it in addition to current sports curriculum. But don't allow students to play casual sports (eg. handball, chess).

[MILIUX]

Originally Posted by demanjo2

Its true, there arent too many fat koreans..

That's because there are compulsory military service needed for man-power just to ready-up the population for potential total war in the peninsula. It same goes for Switzerland and Sweden. They need to ready-up militia-men to secure up the sovereignty.

[ryan79]

Its a bit unfair to automatically judge a fat person. There are definitely plenty out there who are fat simply because they are lazy and eat shit and theres no excuse for the amount of fat kids we have - parents should be held accountable there.

But there are medical reasons, psychological reasons and physicals reasons why people put on weight. It could be an injury that makes exercise impossible, could be depression that makes someone withdraw and eat, could be medication which makes them eat etc. etc.

Its funny how everyone worries and is concerned about someone who is bulemic or anorexic but when someone gets fat they are just lazy and have no self control. Rather hypocritical. You can't just say to someone who is anorexic to just eat so you can't tell someone with a weight problem to just stop eating.

Also some fuckers are just born lucky with a good metabolism. I find its these people who rip on fat people the most despite having similar diet and exercise habits.

[ryan79]

Originally Posted by demanjo2

Its true, there arent too many fat koreans...

But yeah, im not sympathetic generally. Most obese people get there by eating crap food, and eating too much generally. Even when they know they are heading down the path, they tend not to have the courage to stop and turn around.

I do however feel sorry for obese people due to medical/genetic reasons.

Also, i support fat people having to pay more on flights. This should be based on BMI - so tall people do not pay more.

What about fit people with muscles? Rugby player or AFL player? Should they pay more?

[ryan79]

Originally Posted by MILIUX

Boot camps are fun! I did it when i was in year 9 for 3 weeks. High altitude training (2000m+) and endurance exercises.

It teaches leadership, independent autonomy, disciplinary attributes, which are essential qualities to fight against obesity (exercise and diet). If the government enforces compulsory uniform, then i don't see why boot camps are that bad. It can be done in part time basis to supplement with studies. A full day in weekday.

I dunno, I know a few ex army people who are fat.

[MILIUX]

The vast majority does remain fit and i'm sure it fits the Y generation population. Compulsory military service or boot camp is a positive one-size-fits all approach where obese people cannot complain that it's directed at them because all people must participate, unless with medical pre-conditions.

In New Zealand, people with medical pre-conditions who wishes to migrate to NZ are refused many times because it puts strain on the health system. That's something Australian government should explore as well. Australia faces a serious aging population crisis next decade. Even with compulsory health insurance requirement, it still puts strain on tax-payers because up to 50% of costs are rebated, and if not, still puts pressure on premiums.

Early intervention is important because when people get older, metabolic rate decreases, which makes it so much harder for older population to reduce body-fat.

[Svartmetall]

Actually, the NZ medical is very easy to pass. I took one of the darned things, as did the rest of my family and the tests they conducted are a joke and they tell you nothing.

I know some people who have got into the country who really shouldn't be here based upon the exclusion criteria in the medical exams. To be honest, I think if you are in a profession badly needed in NZ they'll look the other way if the medical doesn't quite match up.

[MILIUX]

At least NZ has attempted to surveillance any people with serious medical conditions. I know that guest-workers from Asia and Pacific islands are screened in case of diseases such as malaria.

[uewepuep]

I'm not sympathetic at all.

I just really don't care, its none of my business.

[lowey]

FATSO

[Tama]

lol

Well I dunno, I am and I'm not at the same time.....I feel sorry for them cos how shit it must be for them but then again they are the one that over eats. Then some people I do feel sorry foor like people with thyroid conditions or people that have had psychological or sexual abuse and other problems which have made them choose food as their comfort.

[Cruise]

Adults = no

Children = yes

[renell]

For me it's too hard to make generalizations - there's too much complications involved. But when I think of obese I immediately think of negative connotations so yeah perhaps I'm not too sympathetic, then again I'm not the most healthy of people.

Though for the sake of economic frugality obese people should be made to pay double in airline seats - unless provided they have some kind of 'concession card' for their physical condition i.e. thyroid problems or something. Just like smoking it should be punished if it can be avoided.

But the problem is where is the line drawn at obese? We all know the BMI is a pathetic measurement.