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[CelticTiger]

huh? u saying something there mate?

[Conor]

Wow, that really is the best terminal in Europe! Madrid Barajas, Paris Charles de Gaulle and London Stansted all firmly 2nd, 3rd and 4th place now. Was in the new extention on terminal 1 in June. Airy and really cool looking inside and out. It seems the whole airport has had an overhaul since last there in 05 actually. Can't wait for this to open. Wish there were more pic updates

[Catmalojin]

Only three airlines moving to new €600m terminal

By Stephen O'Farrell
Monday January 11 2010

ONLY three transatlantic airlines have signed up to move into Dublin Airport's new €600m terminal, just 10 months before its opening.

The Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) is under intense pressure to revise its plans for the new facility, dubbed T2, following the tourism downturn.

T2 is designed specifically for transatlantic travel and will allow passengers to clear US immigration and customs before they board their flight.

The new terminal is due to open in November, but just half of the transatlantic airlines operating from Dublin Airport say they are committed to making the move.

American Airlines and Continental confirmed their intentions to take up residency in T2 and Aer Lingus said they would join them "provided that there is no differential pricing to Terminal One".

But Air Canada, US Airways and Delta revealed they were still undecided on whether they would follow suit.

The DAA has been severely criticised over the €609m cost of the T2 project. Its most vocal detractor, Ryanair, has called on the project to be scrapped with a low-cost terminal built in its place.

The Commission for Aviation Regulation has already pledged to increase passenger charges by one-third if the new terminal meets its November deadline.

Opposition politicians said they were very concerned that the DAA had not secured a commitment from all of its central targets for T2 and questioned whether the terminal should be opened on schedule.

They also urged the authority to revisit its T2 strategy and make a greater effort to lure European airlines into the new terminal.

But Ryanair, Lufthansa, Iberia, Air France, British Midland and CityJet all confirmed to the Irish Independent they would not be moving to T2.

Middle Eastern airline Air Etihad, from the oil rich United Arab Emirates, has already signed up to move to the new terminal.

Potential

The DAA defended the prospects of the terminal and said it was confident all of the US carriers would make the move.

It said that the US Customs and Border Protection facility gave Ireland the potential to become a hub for international passengers travelling to the US, similar to London Heathrow.

The spokesman added that Aer Lingus, Continental and American Airlines accounted for more than two-thirds of the existing transatlantic traffic from Dublin Airport.

But Labour transport spokesman Tommy Broughan said he was astonished that the authority had not managed to sign up all six transatlantic carriers as of yet.

He said that he would raise the matter at the next meeting of the Oireachtas transport committee.

- Stephen O'Farrell

Irish Independent

I'll be surprised if the remaining transatlantic airlines don't move to T2; after all, the full US immigration facilities will make it more attractive to customers (anyone who has ever been through US immigration will know how much of a pain it is).

[oneborneveryminute]

Nonsense spin from Antonio Oreillio. Foaming at the mouth as usual at Micaela Oleario's behest.

[spacetweek]

Originally Posted by oneborneveryminute

Nonsense spin from Antonio Oreillio. Foaming at the mouth as usual at Micaela Oleario's behest.

I ran that through Google translate but it still doesn't make sense.

Airlines would be mad not to go to the new terminal considering how rubbish the old one is.

[Conor]

Slightly random, but is Dublin Int planning on becoming a European Hub airport? With the massive renovations and extensions at Terminal one (which was already quite a big building itself) Terminal 2 UC, the infrastructure around the airport, proposed (3rd?) runway, the eventual arrival of T3 & 4, the proposed business park and the new USA policies, it would seem the airport is heading in that direction. It would be nice to have such a large airport within 2 hours from here. I'm hoping alot of this project won't now be dropped due to the financial crises, which has especially hit you guys hard

[Catmalojin]

I think Dublin Airport does have ambitions of being a major European airport, especially within regards to transatlantic travel - as shown by the fact T2 is being built with full US immigration facilities allowing passengers to fly to any international or domestic airport in the US. The only other European airport with this facility is Shannon. The airport probably hopes for more passenger services to Africa and Asia with the arrival of the new terminal later this year. Obviously it will never be on par with the likes of Heathrow, Charles de Gaulle, Schiphol or Frankfurt due to the peripheral location, but it will be a relatively important airport in the EU.

All the major projects (such as T3, new runway, "Dublin Airport City", etc.) have a long-term focus, so I'd say they'll be for the most part unaffected by the recession. The DAA seem to have a solid and positive long-term vision, which is a breath of fresh air compared to some other organisations...

[Conor]

Its great to see such development so close. I am hoping Asian routes will come eventually, but I read somewhere that the current runway isn't really long enough, and any long term ambitions for Asian travel will have to wait for the additional runway. Hopefully T3 will be started within this decade, and I support everything going on in this development. I would love to see Dublin Airport firmly in Europe's top 10 busiest (and best) within the next couple of decades, and I have no real reason as to why this can't happen. It's already 12th.

[Catmalojin]

That's exactly the problem, the current runway is far too short for long-haul flights from Asia and further afield. The new runway planned is 3,660 metres long but won't be built until after the recession is over and passenger numbers start growing again [basically].

It's all here: http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/

[odlum833]

Don't agree the runway is not long enough.


There is no difference between long haul from Asia or from the US.

Ethiad Airways already operates direct flights to the Middle East via Abu Dhabi from Dub btw. They were the first to sign up for the new terminal aswell. Dub also has scheduled direct flights to North Africa aswell. New routes should principly be aimed at the far East. There is a large market there. Scheduled direct routes to China I think are the main focus of the airport authority.


Meanwhile the DAA launched a major incentive initiative today which may please Ryanair for once

The Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) has unveiled a major new financial incentive scheme to encourage traffic growth at Dublin Airport this year.

The Dublin Airport Growth Incentive Scheme, which was launched to airlines today, will see Dublin Airport effectively waiving all airport charges for passenger traffic once a threshold of 19.5 million passengers has been reached.

If the passenger target of 19.5 million is surpassed, the DAA will subsequently refund the airport charges for all of the additional passenger traffic to its airline customers.

The DAA has also today expanded the already generous financial supports that it provides to airlines launching new short-haul routes from Dublin. The short haul route support scheme, which previously has specific geographic constraints, has now been extended to cover any new qualifying route from Dublin Airport.

Under this support scheme, airlines receive a 100% discount on airport charges for the first year of any new route, a 75% discount on charges for the second year of operation, and a 50% discount on charges in year three.

Dublin Airport’s existing long-haul route support scheme, which offers five years of discounts on passenger charges ranging from 100% to 25%, for new long-haul routes is also being maintained.

Dublin Airport Director Robert Hilliard said Dublin Airport had substantially expanded its support mechanisms to encourage its airline customers to retain and grow their operations from Dublin. “This is a broad package of generous incentives and I would urge all of our customers to examine how these schemes can benefit their individual operations at Dublin,” Mr Hilliard said. “If airlines maintain last year’s traffic, one million travellers will pass through Dublin Airport free of charge in 2010.”

“Airport charges at Dublin are hugely competitive compared to our European peers and the addition of these new and expanded financial incentives makes Dublin an even more attractive location,” he added. “We want to work together with all of our airline customers to maximise the level of traffic at Dublin,” Mr Hilliard said.

The Commission for Aviation Regulator (CAR), which regulates charges at Dublin Airport, has set the maximum price cap for this year at €9.32. Under the new Growth Incentive Scheme, the DAA will effectively rebate the amount charged for each passenger over and above the 19.5 million threshold set within the scheme.

The 19.5 million passenger threshold for the scheme is 5% below Dublin Airport’s traffic level for last year, when 20.5 million passengers used the airport, and is significantly less than the traffic level at the airport in 2006. The threshold of 19.5 million passengers is also the basis on which the aviation regulator set its airport charge for this year.

Note to editors:
The Commission for Aviation Regulation (CAR) has set the maximum passenger charge at Dublin Airport at €9.32 for this year. Dublin’s 2010 charge is 25% lower than the average €12.50 passenger charge levied in 2008 by major European airports such as Stansted, Gatwick, Brussels, Copenhagen, Lisbon, Zurich, Vienna, Munich, Oslo. (Source Airports Council International (ACI))
Passenger traffic at Dublin Airport declined by 12.6% last year to 20.504 million passengers.
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[Conor]

I would love to see direct flights to Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo and Bangkok. They are probably the most realistic Asian options anyway. Maybe places such Seoul, Osaka or Singapore could be added if the demand is there at a later stage.

[plank007]

The closest Far East destinations are just about reachable by Aer Lingus' A332s – with a very very light load.

Thing is Aer Lingus used to fly to Dubai but they fucked that up and pulled the route after 12 months. Not much chance of Asia from EI.

[oneborneveryminute]

Ireland has a small population so there's likely not the demand for regular direct flights to all the Asian Metropolises - the present system of flying to a hub like Abu Dhabi with links then to everywhere else works well and Etihad are increasing their flights from Dublin shortly.
If Dublin can position itself as global hub - especially with Ruinair linking all over Europe - then there's a chance there for Aer Lingus to go more global.
It's certain to happen in the medium term anyway due to congestion in the London, Paris, Amsterdam, and Frankfurt areas.

[spacetweek]

Originally Posted by oneborneveryminute

Ruinair

Hahaha!

[scorpiogenius]

Originally Posted by oneborneveryminute

Ireland has a small population so there's likely not the demand for regular direct flights to all the Asian Metropolises - the present system of flying to a hub like Abu Dhabi with links then to everywhere else works well and Etihad are increasing their flights from Dublin shortly.
If Dublin can position itself as global hub - especially with Ruinair linking all over Europe - then there's a chance there for Aer Lingus to go more global.
It's certain to happen in the medium term anyway due to congestion in the London, Paris, Amsterdam, and Frankfurt areas.

I use Etihad to travel to India everytime I go home but its been tough to get tickets. There were some rumours that Emirates is considering Dubai- Dublin link but since the Airline is in a spot of bother now I dont think they're going to commence it anytime soon. But Dublin does have potential for a direct link to another Aisan Metro like Dubai or Singapore, lets see whats going to happen once the new terminal opens.

[Viking74]

I flew direct from Dublin to San Francisco last year. San fran has to be further away than many cities in Asia ? How exactly then is the runway too short for routes to Asia ? Although maybe I can understand this logic if people are referring to places like Bangkok and Singapore. Just curious.

[irish coonor]

its not just about the length of the runway its also to do with the cost of fuel etc to get to these far destinations and whether it would be worth it but I think there is a lot of opportunity in the far east and dublin is becoming an international city so I se it as being a profitable investment

[odlum833]

New road for Dublin airport



A new access road at Dublin airport will officially open tomorrow.

Passengers who are being dropped off at the airport by car will now have to access the terminal by taking the new road, which takes motorists through the centre of the soon-to-be-opened Terminal 2.

Passengers using the short-term car park and those arriving by taxi, bus and coach will, for another two months, continue to access Terminal 1 by the existing approach road.

From March all passengers departing from Terminal 1 will access that terminal via the new approach road.

The traffic changes are part of the ongoing programme to upgrade the airport’s campus roads and will be clearly signposted on overhead gantries and other signage as vehicles enter the airport.

Terminal 2 is due come on stream in November with a capacity of 15 million passengers. It will accommodate all of the airport’s long-haul traffic and offer a unique new customs clearance facility for US-bound passengers.

Irish Times