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Old September 19th, 2008, 05:35 AM   #41
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No pictures, but Toronto and Vancouver probably have the 'best' Chinatowns outside of Asia in the entire world. With 500,000 Chinese, Toronto has I believe the largest Chinese population in North America, with Chinese people representing just under 10% of the population.

There are two 'Chinatowns' in Toronto, the old kind like the pictures we have here. This is where the old immigrants settled and are within the city. Meanwhile most new immigrants live in the suburbs.

Then there are large parts of Toronto, where the vast majority of the population is Chinese (almost all first generation immigrants from Hong Kong and China, and many well educated and middle-class) and most stores you see will be Chinese. This covers a large part of the North-East of the city (Scarborough, Markham and Richmond Hill) comprising an area of about 8km x 8km. Although built into a very typical North American suburban plan (suburban single detached housing, wide streets, strip malls, indoor malls), there are massive amounts of Chinese stores everywhere.


Vancouver is similar, but having a slightly smaller Chinese population (400,000 I believe, comprising roughly 15% of the population) where there is the old 'touristy' Chinatown which is generally considered a lot more dangerous, and the brand new and wealthy suburb of Richmond which seems like it's all Chinese with malls that look like they were transplanted out of Hong Kong mixed in with the typical North American suburban plan.


I guess it depends what you mean by 'best'. If you mean most touristy, then you'd have to go with places like London, Yokohama, San Francisco and NYC. If you mean a part of town where educated and middle-class Chinese from China/HK would be able to find food, shopping and other amenities up to their standards and be able to easily integrate then Toronto and Vancouver are the places to be.

Finally someone speaks the truth. I have been London UK, Vancouver, Chicago, New York, San Francisco and many of the large North American Chinatowns and without a doubt in my mind the Chinese community in Toronto and it's relative footprint is probably largest (Vancouver is close). You can use Chinese to conduct business, read newspaper, watch TV or listen to radio. There's probably no place outside of China where you can get as many pirated movie titles either.

First Markham Place



Pacific Mall



Largest indoor Chinese mall in North America

Market Village




Times Square


Jubilee Square



Commerce Gate


Midtown Plaza


Splendid China Tower


Dragon Centre



Oriental Centre




MetroSquare


T&T Supermarket
(Taiwanese -- many locations throughout the city)

More Japanese junk food than Jusco in Hong Kong.


If you look at this map, you see a swath of land saturated with Chinese shoppes. Some are absent as the map is not up to date. But there are significant concentrations all over the city.


Chinese Indoor Malls

1. Evergold Centre
2. Market Village Mall,
Pacific Mall
3. Scarborough Landmark
4. Dynasty Centre
5. Skyone
6. New Century Plaza,
Metro Square
7. Eastville Square
8. Peachtree Centre,
New Kennedy Square
9. Swing'n Bowl
10. Bank of China Centre
11. First Markham Place
12. Inernational City Square
13. Sun Square
14. Causeway Bay Square
15. Times Square
16. Commerce Gate


Chinese Outdoor Plazas

1. Milliken Square
2. Finch-Midland Centre
3. Scarborough Village Mall
4. Scarborough Industrial Centre
5. Midland Court/Centre
6. Silverland Centre
7. Midland Village
8. Scherwood Centre
9. Agincourt Commercial Centre
10. Agincourt Mall
11. 25 Glen Watford Drive
12. Dragon Center
13. Cathay Plaza
14. First Commercial Place
15. Prince Mall
16. Mandarin Shopping Centre
17. Pearl Plaza
18. Regency Court
19. Milliken Wells Shopping Centre
20. Victoria Business centre
21. Prisperity Centre
22. 3600-3640 Victoria Park Ave.
23. Bamburgh Gardens
24. Centerview Square
25. Victory Shopping Centre
26. Woodside Square
27. Midtown Plaza
28. (there is no 28)
29. Birchwood Plaza
30. Finch Leslie Square

source: http://www.geocities.com/cplarosa/toronto/malls.htm
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 12:39 AM   #42
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Hmm, Ive only been to the one in LA and SF. True, LA's is a ghost town, but there is some great food there (if you're will to go in C rated restaurants) but none-the-less, the food is great!
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 09:15 AM   #43
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No pictures, but Toronto and Vancouver probably have the 'best' Chinatowns outside of Asia in the entire world.
Agreed; Toronto's Chinatown is the best i've seen by far.

also, i think it's hilarious that Singapore has a Chinatown.
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 12:28 PM   #44
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I have not been to many of the Worlds chinatowns but Londons was not so flash, maybe due to smaller chinese pop?

Melbournes was very authentic as it is the oldest chinatown in the western world (1851).
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 02:02 PM   #45
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You talking about little bourke st? two blocks of chinese, thai and japanese restaurants is barely what I would authentic. It might have had some chinese population 150 years ago, but I rekon Box hill is more authentic with Springvale, Victoria street and Footscray the most "Asian" towns *Vietnamese).
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 05:09 PM   #46
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Chinatown Amsterdam

The Chinatown in Amsterdam isn't that big. But it has the largest traditionaly build temple in Europe. It was opened by special monks who never leave their country. Chinatown Amsterdam looks nice, but Amsterdam doesn't want to many chinese looking buildings, because they want to keep the street in traditional Amsterdam style. But they want to build an entrance port in chinese style at the beginning. And they are going to start another Chinatown in another part of Amsterdam. All pics are from Flickr.

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This is planned for The Hague (picture), Amsterdam and Rotterdam;


Amsterdam also want to attract more people to open stores in Chinatown Amsterdam. They also want to open a Chinese hotel and cinema there.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 07:55 AM   #47
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I have not been to many of the Worlds chinatowns but Londons was not so flash, maybe due to smaller chinese pop?

Melbournes was very authentic as it is the oldest chinatown in the western world (1851).
I don't think so. Alot of HKers moved to London after the handover
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Old September 24th, 2008, 08:05 AM   #48
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you guys do not forget a ' Yokohama China town '
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Old September 24th, 2008, 08:17 AM   #49
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Mexicali doesn´t have a Chinatown.... The entire city is one
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Old September 25th, 2008, 09:25 PM   #50
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Old September 26th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #51
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Mexicali doesn´t have a Chinatown.... The entire city is one
Wikipedia says that LA, ... and Mexicali have the biggest and most important Chinatown.
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The world largest Chinatown is being built now in IL-SAN.

btw These photos are taken for 3 years ago.

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Old September 26th, 2008, 12:29 PM   #53
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Whats the point of china town? Aren't immigrants supposed to integrate into society rather than living in a parallel society?
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Whats the point of china town? Aren't immigrants supposed to integrate into society rather than living in a parallel society?
The "point" is that these areas were originally segregated from society and the fact that they've been reclaimed as a part of the city and as a tourist area is an important step.

However, that's also why I think that Toronto has the best "Chinatown", as it were, due to the level that the Chinese and other Asian populations have integrated into the city. And the traditional Chinatown on Spadina is still an interesting area to visit, to boot.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 07:30 PM   #55
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Some pictures I've taken of Toronto's old Chinatown from my photothread:



































mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... all that mouthwatering barbecue in the windows:







The El Mocambo, just at the northern edge of Chinatown:







inexplicably, one of these greengrocers had a big picture of Ulysees Grant, I believe... how very odd:



the dedicated streetcar right of way:















As many will have noticed, a good deal of "Chinatown" consists of Vietnamese shops and restaurants:











and there are lots more of them here on my photothread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...334362&page=41
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I think the best chinatown is in Washington DC, it's ridiculously small, but it looks awesome, kind of authentic.
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Heh... this is one of my favourite restaurants. It's cheap, and the food is amazing.
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Old September 29th, 2008, 04:20 AM   #58
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I'm always very conscious, every time I visit Richmond, that I'm among a minority of caucasians. I feel like a foreigner within my own city.
You shouldn't feel like a foreigner when you visit Richmond because most of those people are Canadians just like you. They're just not caucasian and many speak languages other than English or French. Canada is NOT a caucasian country. It's like saying I feel like a foreigner in my own country when I go to Nova Scotia because of all those Scottish people.

I think what you meant to say is that you're not used to being part of a minority group and the experience was an eye opener. My friend Kelly said a similar thing when she visited me in Toronto during Pride Week. As a heterosexual female she felt like a minority for the first time in her life.

We're all Canadians.

Back to Chinatowns, I'd have to agree with the comments many people made about the one in London. I was a little disappointed when I visited. I expected something on the scale of the one here in Toronto. The one in London is tiny and felt more like a Chinese themed amusement park for tourists than a fully functioning Chinese neighbourhood.

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Old October 1st, 2008, 05:30 AM   #59
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Paris has a rather big east asian community estimated at over 500,000 people, mostly composed of ethnic chinese.
There is two major chinatowns.
Anyway the majority of this population don't live and go in chinatowns because there is chinese shop everywhere in the city.
By exemple the big Tang Frere and Paris Store supermarket are located in several area in Paris metropolitan.


Triangle d'Ivry (13th arrondissement)
Biggest chinatown in Europe.
It is a weird area, not at all a traditional chinatown, even if it has everything, many supermarkets, restaurant, clothing shop, banks, real estates, travel compagnies, investissor offices...
Not very attractive, made of 70's high-rises, quite secret, made of several shopping mall, many service are inside appartement. The area is often quiet it became quite busy the week ends.
There is about 10,000 shoppers per day in the biggest Tang Frere supermarket, about the same number of consumer in Paris store.
Many people see that this district is not only chinese but also Vetnamese and Cambogian.



































Belleville
Second chinatown of Paris, this one is habited and frequented by newer asian immigrant.
Belleville is more vibrant and more working class.

When i took picture even if the street were not crowded as usual, shops were full.



















There is also many smaller chinese corner that you can find every where in Paris.
The clothing district of Rue du Temple area in the 3rd is nearly completly owned by chinese but there is no sign of a chinatown exect in a small corner near Art et Metiers.
There is also similar case in the 11th arrondissment where in a district there is over hundred shop are owned by chinese without being a chinatown.
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We have quite a modest China town in London, but plans were released yesterday with a 2million pound budget to open a dedicated tube station, add authentic gates and dragons etc and generaly improve the area.
The area is always busy and buzzing at night.












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