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Old March 8th, 2006, 12:49 PM   #221
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Old March 8th, 2006, 01:12 PM   #222
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So are there still some debating over what city in South Africa is the best to host, or what? And how big is Durban? I know almost nothing about it...
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Old March 8th, 2006, 10:50 PM   #223
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Are they building or renovating any of the world cup stadiums in South Africa so that once the World Cup is done they have a stadium that could be turned into an Olympic stadium? If South Africa is serious about bidding for the games in the next 20 years then they should build a 80,000 seater that could double as an olympic stadium.

That is one of the big mistakes that Chicago made when they rebuilt the football stadium just a few years ago I am afraid.
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Old March 9th, 2006, 11:44 AM   #224
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SA is building 5 new state of the art mordern stadiums for the 2010 world cup, & renovating 5 of current stadiums. The Stadium in Durban will be the most sophisticated from them all, not sure yet if it will have a retractable roof or not, but it will have temporart seating & permenant seating. It will hold a capacity crowd of 70 000 -80 000 for the world cup, & after that they will remove the temporary seating which will bring the stadiums capacity down to 45 000, but if need be they can always add on more temporary seating which could hold up to 100 000 people, sounds abit confusing I know. But the stadium will be catering for olympic sports, & a second smaller indoor arena will cater for most of the other olympic codes, & we already have a world class Aquatic center & the area of the new stadium is in the sporting precinct of our city so all the venues are right next to each other, plans are also under way to construct a hotel near the area for athletes & spectators
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Old March 9th, 2006, 12:14 PM   #225
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So are there still some debating over what city in South Africa is the best to host, or what? And how big is Durban? I know almost nothing about it...
go to our Forum then have alook, u will get to know SA pretty well there!SA Forum
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Old March 9th, 2006, 02:49 PM   #226
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Greece HAS TOO host the winters.
I say Thessaloniki 2018!
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cool, ill check it out....
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Old March 10th, 2006, 01:25 AM   #228
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Green Point stadium to develop entire Common as public park

March 9, 2006

By John Yeld

One of the two semi-final matches in the 2010 Soccer World Cup tournament will be played in a new, 68 000-seater African Renaissance Stadium that will rise on the Green Point Common over the next four years.

But the massive R1.2 billion project will demand incredibly tight deadlines. This is clear from the call for proposals just issued by the City of Cape Town.

Although the tournament will be held in June and July, the stadium must be ready by December 2008 to meet the requirements of Fifa.
The projectis a joint initiative between the national government, the Western Cape provincial administration and the City.

The proposal calls for a multi-disciplinary team to design and develop the stadium and plan its sustainable management for the medium-to-long term.

A local team is preferred, and it must be able to demonstrate "appropriate skills, past experience and capacity as a team, to deliver the scope of work within tight time-frames".

The team will include a project manager, architects, quantity surveyors, structural, mechanical, electrical , electronic and sound engineers, an occupational health and safety expert, landscape architects, an artist, traffic and civil engineers, transport planners, town planners, heritage consultants, a land surveyor, economic development consultants, financial and business planning experts, an access control expert, traffic signage consultants and environmental consultants.

The deadline for submissions is Monday March 27, and a decision on the winner will be reached within 10 days.

The generation of an initial business plan for, and design of, the stadium must start in April to be completed by June 30.

Detailed stadium and a detailed business plan must be ready by October 31.

Construction will be expected to start in January 2007 and must be completed by December 31 2008.

Among the criteria to judge the bidders is "evidence of creativity, innovation and sustainability".

Another criterion will be the level of broad-based black economic and women empowerment, with a minimum 30% BEE stake.

Full details will have to be provided of all directors and members of close corporations, and details of the holding company in the case of wholly-owned subsidiaries.

The proposal document says the anticipated cost of R1.2 billion will need to be confirmed during phase 1 of the project.

Operators of the stadium will be sourced through a separate proposal call that will be put out shortly. The City has identified the Metropolitan Golf Course as its preferred site for the new stadium.

However, the environmental impact assessment (EIA) process requires that alternative sites be investigated, and one such site is the existing stadium.

Town planning and architecture are important components in establishing the impact that development of the new stadium will have and that must be assessed.

By the time the winning team is appointed, detailed studies will be underway on geotechnical aspects of the site, archaeology, the visual impact, the urban design framework, title deed restrictions, regional transport, town planning and the environment.

Information gathered will be used in the public participation phase of EIA.
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"It will be necessary for the EIA and the associated specialist studies to have been completed and a Record of Decision to have been obtained by early July 2006."

The rezoning will have to be completed for approval by mid-September 2006.

Cape Town is set to become the "dramatic backdrop" to the 2010 World Cup.

"With its spectacular natural setting, its long history and diverse cultures, Cape Town will play host to the family of nations celebrating the best of football in the first World Cup to be played in Africa.

"Not only the profile of Cape Town and our friendly people, but the capabilities of our country and continent will be beamed across the world to billions of fans, future visitors, investors and friends.

"2010 offers a major opportunity to showcase the best we have to offer."

The current stadium at Green Point and the Common are under-utilised public open spaces and therefore the prime site for this development, the document states.

"Through this development, the city and province intend to catapult citywide growth, attracting visitors and tourists, investment, leisure and entertainment events on a scale not yet seen in our city."

In keeping with Fifa requirements, the current stadium will be transformed into a "completely new, 68 000-seater all-weather, multi-purpose, environmentally sustainable, modern,
technologically advanced world-class facility, giving expression to the 'African Renaissance Stadium' at the juncture between Table Mountain and the Atlantic Ocean at the southern tip of Africa".

The document explains that the city's vision is to transform the 80ha Green Point Common into a world-class "People's Park" modelled along the lines of London's Hyde Park and New York's Central Park, that could cater for various events, sports, heritage, leisure and relaxation in a landscaped space with indigenous trees, water features and gardens.

As there is a strong likelihood of human remains being encountered during the Common's transformation, attention must be paid to heritage aspects and a memorial park for the reburial of human remains may have to be developed.

The Fort Wynyard site, on the north-eastern boundary of the Metropolitan Golf Club, appears to be a suitable site for such a memorial park, the document states.

While the team which wins the bid to plan and build the new stadium will not be required to re-plan the development of the Common, "cognisance has to be given to optimise the potential of this asset as part of an active and passive recreational public space while promoting its integration with economic opportunities and ecological integrity".

The proposal document states that the winning design team "will be required to deal sensitively with the context and to assemble elements of the stadium precinct, unpack economic opportunities, and integrate all the aspects required to inform the building of the stadium and the creation of a vibrant urban environment as a contribution to Cape Town's future for the benefit of all its citizens".
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Old March 31st, 2006, 02:14 AM   #229
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Next olympic cities hmmm
2016 Istanbul
2020 New York
2024 Madrid
2028 Johanisburg
2032 Tokyo
2036 Helsinki
2040 Zagreb(I am from zagreb I think by that time they might get the maximer stadium complete)
2044 Toronto
2048 Rio De Jenero(I cant spell sorry if I spelt it wrong)
2052 Havana(I think by that time the comunist would be out and America would have been moderized enough
2054 Dubi(one of the coolest cities ever)
2060 Rome
2064 Baghdad(This what I really want to see hopfully the US can get out and create a stable government so the olympics could come back to the cradle of civilization)
2068 Moscow(Until the get a better government they wont get the olympics)
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Old March 31st, 2006, 12:34 PM   #230
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Next olympic cities hmmm
2016 Istanbul
2020 New York
2024 Madrid
2028 Johanisburg
2032 Tokyo
2036 Helsinki
2040 Zagreb(I am from zagreb I think by that time they might get the maximer stadium complete)
2044 Toronto
2048 Rio De Jenero(I cant spell sorry if I spelt it wrong)
2052 Havana(I think by that time the comunist would be out and America would have been moderized enough
2054 Dubi(one of the coolest cities ever)
2060 Rome
2064 Baghdad(This what I really want to see hopfully the US can get out and create a stable government so the olympics could come back to the cradle of civilization)
2068 Moscow(Until the get a better government they wont get the olympics)

johanisburg lol hahaha
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Old March 31st, 2006, 02:41 PM   #231
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johanisburg lol hahaha
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Old April 1st, 2006, 12:46 AM   #232
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2016 - Cape Town
2020 - Madrid
2024 - New York
2028 - Paris
2032 - Buenos Aires
2036 - Berlin
2040 - Mexico
2044 - Melbourne
2048 - Lisbon
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Old April 1st, 2006, 12:56 AM   #233
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We r gonna get them no doubt!
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Old April 1st, 2006, 02:33 AM   #234
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An Australian city probably won't bid for at least another several games as the costs are very high. Melbourne is probably still the best equipped city in Australia to host an Olympic Games but there'd still be enormous liabilities with security and the provision of housing 10-12,000 athletes. The Sydney Olympics cost NSW taxpayers $2.2 billion. The Athens Games set Greece back $5 billion. The recent Commonwealth Games in Melbourne accommodated 16 different sporting disciplines and 4,500 athletes and were held in built venues, with the resultant cost of "Not much change from $1.1 billion AUD" (about $750 million USD).

Just the opening and closing ceremonies alone will set a city bacck between $50 - $100 million when you factor in transport costs, security, fireworks and public liability insurance etc. Further there is an incredible expectation not only by people whom live in a host city, but also from vistors which you have to accommodate otherwise your city can potentially be overwhelmed and suffer international ridicule and embarrassment such as te city of Atlanta unfortunately did in 1996.

Some pictures from the recent 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne give you an indicator of the scale of a medium sized sporting event by today's standards - keeping in mind that the Commonwealth Games are about half the scale of an Olympics. Some food for thought everyone about the costs and the scale:


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Old April 1st, 2006, 02:42 AM   #235
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I like these! South America, Africa and India in general need a chance!

... How about: 2060 - Pyongyang/Seoul Joint Olympics?
Are you high on something???
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Old April 1st, 2006, 02:58 AM   #236
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I aggree, let's not dignify, accommodate or Kow Tow to supporting a dictatorial regime such as North Korea. As long as the "Dear Leader" enjoys his lavish lifestyle whilst his 22,000,000 North Koreans remain denied basic human rights, food and other services, and the North Korean Regime continue to direct their money toward nuclear arms development and waste precious few resources on ridiculous public pageants and massed military displays then they should remain pariahs internationally.
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Old April 1st, 2006, 08:03 AM   #237
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2016 Buenos Aires
2020 Tokyo/Osaka
2024 St Petersburg/Moscow
2028 Delhi/Mumbai
2032 Toronto
2036 Melbourne
2040 Paris
2044 Rio de Janeiro/Sao Paulo
2048 Kuala Lumpur/Singapore/Jakarta
2052 Johannesburg/Cape Town
2056 Bangkok
2060 Chicago

My list is based not on continents but on time zones ie. Americas, Europe-Africa, Asia-Oceania. I would liked to maybe have one more city in Africa. I also don't believe any country should host two games within a 32 year period.
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Old April 1st, 2006, 09:58 AM   #238
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An Australian city probably won't bid for at least another several games as the costs are very high. Melbourne is probably still the best equipped city in Australia to host an Olympic Games
hmmm....A bit rich when Sydney just hosted a succesful Olympics just 2 Olympiads ago..

For an Olympics,Melbourne would need
-a Rowing venue
-a whitewater venue
-Baseball/Softball venue or whatever replaces it
-another Indoor arena(You cant fit Basketball,Volleyball,Gymnastics,Tennis and Cycling into 2 venues).Sydney had 5 different venues to cater for these sports.
-Equestrian venue
-A larger swimming venue(10,000 just dont cut it for an Olympics)

Yes..Sydney would probably build a new Olympic Village and cut a few seats of Telstra Stadium,but saying that,Sydney has more Olympic standard venues in place currently than Melbourne.(obviously!)
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Old April 1st, 2006, 10:23 AM   #239
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hmmm....A bit rich when Sydney just hosted a succesful Olympics just 2 Olympiads ago..

For an Olympics,Melbourne would need
-a Rowing venue
-a whitewater venue
-Baseball/Softball venue or whatever replaces it
-another Indoor arena(You cant fit Basketball,Volleyball,Gymnastics,Tennis and Cycling into 2 venues).Sydney had 5 different venues to cater for these sports.
-Equestrian venue
-A larger swimming venue(10,000 just dont cut it for an Olympics)

Yes..Sydney would probably build a new Olympic Village and cut a few seats of Telstra Stadium,but saying that,Sydney has more Olympic standard venues in place currently than Melbourne.(obviously!)
You obviously don't know Melbourne. We have rowing, baseball, softball, equestrian venues. If all that is needed to build is another indoor arena and white water venue than thats far better then what Sydney had to build. I remember being more sceptical at Sydney when it won the bid in 1993 (it had virtually nothing), but it gave us an impressive games (I was a volunteer). Sydney does has more Olympic standard venues... mostly white elephants. Melbourne does not have that problem, we love our sport and would use these venues, though saying all this I would still not advocate Australia hosting a games until 2036.
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Old April 1st, 2006, 12:51 PM   #240
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Thanx durbsboi for putting the design in here. It is very true that Durban is an unknown entity in global terms in comparison to Cape Town, but we do have a lot to offer, the only factor inhibiting us is our lack of global exposure. The city is following a focussed sporting development plan that aims to fully equip the city to host either a commonwealth or olympic games before 2030.

The Kings Park sporting precinct is at the heart this campaign. It is situated right next to the indian ocean, CBD and beachfront hotels and much additional work is being carried out on the precinct for the 2010 soccer world cup.

The precinct already comprises:

The Kings Park Aquatics centre (7000), which hosts an annual event on the FINA world swimming tour. At present plans are advanced for a second pool, to compliment the indoor olympic pool and diving centre. This in preparation to bid for the World Swimming Champs.

The ABSA Stadium (52 000), which is the home to the Natal Sharks rugby team and was the proposed durban venue for the soccer world cup.

The Kings Park Soccer Stadium. This is the present home of soccer in durban and is due for demolition shortly, to be replaced by a new 75 000 capacity stadium for the Soccer World cup. It will have permanent seating for 45 000, but in its design it has the capacity to house 100 000 people for a major event in temporary capacity. It will also include an adjacent indoor arena capable of hosting smaller events up to 10 000 people in stadium mode.

Other venues in the precinct include: The Kings Park Athletics stadium, The Durban Country Club, Windsor Park Golf Course, The Cecil Velodrome, Archery centre, Equestrian facilities, KZN Badminton and Table Tennis Centre.

A new transmodel transport hub is to be built for the 2010 world cup, between the new soccer stadium and the existing rugby stadium. It will provide commuter rail, buses, taxi's and connections to the new inner city monorail link.

All in all the precinct is compact, and within a 5 min walk to the beach, casino and city hotels. The city has budgetted for $750m to be spent on upgrades to the precinct in the next 5 years, and thereafter other upgrades, should the city be succesful in an Olympic or Commonwealth bid.
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