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[BartBart]

Originally Posted by TRS-80

Yep. The original plan (years ago) apparently was a surface highway, which is how main roads owned all the land.

Speaking of the polypipe, I worked out why they put up the eastbound and westbound signs - it's so people know which tunnel is shut for maintenance without having to think about it.

I assumed it is for out of towners - but I suppose there are plenty of ignorant people around that it'd help too.

[perthgazer]

can you just imagine if it ended being a surface highway *shudder*

they really didn't think right back in the 50s and 60s

[OzFrog]

Originally Posted by TRS-80

Yep. The original plan (years ago) apparently was a surface highway, which is how main roads owned all the land.

Speaking of the polypipe, I worked out why they put up the eastbound and westbound signs - it's so people know which tunnel is shut for maintenance without having to think about it.

Ok cool... that would have been a major project indeed... are there any pics floating around of its construction?

[Auxodium]

i have magazine articles on the project kicking about

edit... i have to lookf or them.... lol piles of paperwork here

plus i found some old projects also! lol

[dallastexjr]

That sentence above is worthless unless you post them Aux lol.

[hack404]

Originally Posted by Scraperfan

it will be good to gauge opinion on how the system is performing when the new rail cars come online.

people are going to be pleasantly surprised with the increased frequency and room to move/sit in peak times.

We'd really only start to see a noticable difference once three or four sets come online and that's still a while away...

[perthgazer]

Yeah I think in the budgets papers there was only 2 3-car sets to come by July

[Scraperfan]

I thought we were taking delivery of about 6 by December?

[hack404]

Originally Posted by Scraperfan

I thought we were taking delivery of about 6 by December?

Just one set (three cars) will be coming...

[aaronaugi1]

Is the slow delivery time an EDI-Bom problem/delay or was it a state government issue?

[Auxodium]

No, delay because of QR's order i believe

[Dilaz89]

EDI are not taking any more orders until mid next year because pent up demand is so high.

[Perth4life]

Man i can't wait for 5 years or so when a C set is invented..

[L2]

Why would they design an entirely new type of train in 5 years time? I suspect that Transperth will continue ordering more B series for extra capacity for years to come.

QR Citytrain's EMUs were delivered between 1979 and 1987 and TransAdelaide's 3000/3100s came between 1987 and 1996. Nothing wrong with long delivery runs.

Besides, EMUs are shit boring from a railfan's point of view.

I suspect that you just want something new to tag.

[Perth4life]

ok, maybe 10 years is more realistic, i was only basing this on roughly 12 or so years from the A series being introduced onto Perths network before getting newer larger trains, by a C series i was meaning that in maybe 10 years, the A's would have been running for 27 years. Melbourne doesnt have that many Hitachi's left and theyve been running for 35 years, so you would think if a new govt decided to invest in PT in 10 years or so, a new type of train would be a good option.

And i just like the look of Melbourne's numerous different trains, 3 types here would be nice.

[Dilaz89]

the next order will be 'C" sets- 2 car 'B' sets built for older lines.

[Cygnet]

Originally Posted by L2

Why would they design an entirely new type of train in 5 years time? I suspect that Transperth will continue ordering more B series for extra capacity for years to come.

I have heard that there is some technical reason the B-series are considered undesirable for regular use on the Midland, Armadale and Fremantle lines due to shorter distances between stations (compared to the Mandurah and Joondalup lines)... something to do with the engines or brakes? Do you know if there's any truth in this?

If this were the case, then wouldn't the PTA be inclined to look at a different model when the time eventually comes to increase frequencies/capacities on these older lines? Or would they be more likely to get the same model, but with the technical aspects reconfigured in some way?

I don't know much about this technology, so would love for someone to clarify this.

[Perth4life]

i read on wikipedia (reliable i know) that once the new sets come in 2009, they plan to run some B sets on the older lines.

[timofperth]

Originally Posted by Bonga

I have heard that there is some technical reason the B-series are considered undesirable for regular use on the Midland, Armadale and Fremantle lines due to shorter distances between stations (compared to the Mandurah and Joondalup lines)... something to do with the engines or brakes? Do you know if there's any truth in this?

If this were the case, then wouldn't the PTA be inclined to look at a different model when the time eventually comes to increase frequencies/capacities on these older lines? Or would they be more likely to get the same model, but with the technical aspects reconfigured in some way?

I don't know much about this technology, so would love for someone to clarify this.

Well, I do know that the Fremantle line will be the first to trail these sets, as more of the older stations are replaced with newer ones *finally* (i.e. Grant Street and Loch Street will be buldozed and a new station will be built inbetween) with extensions on all the Platforms. How crappy are the stations on the Midland/Armadle line, there like EWWW!

[L2]

Originally Posted by Dilaz89

the next order will be 'C" sets- 2 car 'B' sets built for older lines.

Why wouldn't they just extend the platforms to 6 cars, or just run 3-car B series trains on those lines?

Originally Posted by Perth4life

Melbourne doesnt have that many Hitachi's left and theyve been running for 35 years, so you would think if a new govt decided to invest in PT in 10 years or so, a new type of train would be a good option.

Don't compare Perth with smelly Melbourne - those old things were already outdated in comparison to interstate rollingstock (no air cond) by the time that the last of them were still in the factory. Pax don't like them as they 'seem' noticably old.

Brisbane's oldest EMUs date from 1979 and there are no plans to withdraw any of them any time soon - they were fairly modern when built and are still a good relatively modern commuter train.

From a passengers point of view, the level of comfort on an A-series is not significantly different to a B-series. I suspect they have another 20 years left in them, unless they mechanically need replacing before then.