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Old March 21st, 2016, 08:29 PM   #1981
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[QUOTE=Ghostface79;131527468]I would've preferred a clearer glass, but overall this is a great addition to the skyline, one of my favorite buildings under construction.

You are smart!...i guess these white frames would have melt in a clearer glass!
By the way,do people need to open their windows in NY?
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Old March 22nd, 2016, 08:12 AM   #1982
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 01:17 PM   #1983
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 03:27 PM   #1984
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I wonder if the residents would be allowed to paint the bottom of the balcony above them to get a decorative ceiling for their own balcony.
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 08:38 PM   #1985
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 11:07 PM   #1986
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I told you this wouldn't be a good idea for a Manhattan design, but most just wouldn't listen...

This could totally be standing in some 3rd tier developing city and no one would notice it was actually designed for NYC. Random shapes, mediocre quality, unfortunate proportions. Not even an average but a poor design imho. It's like glass-clad shipping containers randomly stacked on each other, childish Lego style.

Wrong again but at least you're consistent with that.
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Old March 23rd, 2016, 11:10 PM   #1987
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I wonder if the residents would be allowed to paint the bottom of the balcony above them to get a decorative ceiling for their own balcony.

No.
They also can't swap out curtain wall panels, or change the railing on their balcony.
Also who would want to do that?
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Old March 24th, 2016, 07:10 AM   #1988
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Old March 24th, 2016, 02:18 PM   #1989
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I wonder if the residents would be allowed to paint the bottom of the balcony above them to get a decorative ceiling for their own balcony.
Definitely not. People's tasteless sense of decoration shouldn't turn an initially tasteful tower into a Christmas tree.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 02:30 PM   #1990
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"Tasteful" is rather questionable in case of this Jenga thingy.

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Wrong again but at least you're consistent with that.
Don't tell me my opinion is "wrong". It's an opinion ffs. State your own or go somewhere else.
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All i can say is interesting. Not Attractive though. interesting
After the finished product, my initial perspective still holds true. It's interesting, it catches your attention, but not really for the right reasons. It is not attractive. I hope I don't grow to resent it.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 05:45 PM   #1992
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No.
They also can't swap out curtain wall panels, or change the railing on their balcony.
Also who would want to do that?
well...stpd people like to do stpd things
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Old March 24th, 2016, 06:42 PM   #1993
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"Tasteful" is rather questionable in case of this Jenga thingy.


Don't tell me my opinion is "wrong". It's an opinion ffs. State your own or go somewhere else.

With all due respect,i'm willing to bet that Erbse is a pretty old nostalgic man...
...Remind me of my grandpa who loves Stern(!) and hates Gehry..
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Old March 25th, 2016, 04:27 AM   #1994
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I'm neither old nor nostalgic. I appreciate both good classical and good modern. I'm open to expressive and creative contemporary architecture, but this one just doesn't do it for me. While I adore designs like Verre, Steinway and BOC HK.

You better won't come up with more ad hominem. Talk about the building, not people. Thanks.


PS: Gehry was great fun in the beginning but turned very repetetive (i.e. unoriginal, copy-paste) and failed more often recently. Which can be said about most 'starchitects' though. Robert Stern has both good and mediocre designs, I appreciate his new classical work more than his meh postmodern attempts.
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Old March 25th, 2016, 04:20 PM   #1995
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the top is great...but the balconies dissolve the outline
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Old March 25th, 2016, 11:50 PM   #1996
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I'm neither old nor nostalgic. I appreciate both good classical and good modern. I'm open to expressive and creative contemporary architecture, but this one just doesn't do it for me. While I adore designs like Verre, Steinway and BOC HK.

You better won't come up with more ad hominem. Talk about the building, not people. Thanks.


PS: Gehry was great fun in the beginning but turned very repetetive (i.e. unoriginal, copy-paste) and failed more often recently. Which can be said about most 'starchitects' though. Robert Stern has both good and mediocre designs, I appreciate his new classical work more than his meh postmodern attempts.
To be honest I'm not sure if you like both good modern and good classical. Although I will understand that this building might be too messy (or maybe there was other ways to make it look better for example taking away the frames of the glass for a more clear look, in this way it seems to look more messy, but who knows, maybe that was the architect's intention, especially if we take the whole design in consideration), I still couldn't understand how 432 Park Avenue isn't good enough, or maybe I will, but one thing I am not going to understand is how 30 Park Place is a timeless icon, especially compared to buildings like 432 Park Avenue. Express yourself, what's the thing that makes 30 Park Place a timeless beauty, and what's the thing 432 Park Avenue lacks (is it painted concrete that tends to convince us that it's actually sandstone or travertine) and therefore does not deserve to be called timeless.
As for 56 Leonard Street I am far from impressed, I already stated what's the thing that bothers me, it's the frames on the cladding, who knows maybe without them it would have looked better.
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@architecturelover...design is all about tension, style and taste, which comes from the visibility and experience of nature. there are many buildings coming up in midtown who doesnt match these simple rules of architecture. the only thing that bores me is a technical surface.
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Old March 26th, 2016, 01:57 PM   #1998
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@architecturelover...design is all about tension, style and taste
I agree, especially on that last word. However it sounded pretty conformistic to me to accept everything that tends to show some classical "elements" and don't take into consideration the materials, quality and stuff like that.
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With all due respect,i'm willing to bet that Erbse is a pretty old nostalgic man...
...Remind me of my grandpa who loves Stern(!) and hates Gehry..
Your grandpa sounds very wise.
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Old March 27th, 2016, 02:53 AM   #2000
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Too bad we don't give a **** about you opinions so you can take them and put them somewhere a sun don't shine. You told us blah blah..... If you don't like it then don't visit this topic but don't keep coming back and tell us what developers should build in NYC
I like this tower too but criticisms are ok.
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