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Old October 12th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #321
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Old October 12th, 2012, 09:47 PM   #322
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I agree 600. This will be one of the best skyscrapers built in NY since the art deco gems were built. It's stunning.

And Kanto, you're entitled to your own opinion as to the aesthetics of the building, but this isn't a really prestigious spot. The neighborhood it's in, Tribeca, has seen some of the highest price increases in real estate in the city over the last several years, but at street level it doesn't look it at all, it's rather odd. I think prices have increased so much in such a short period of time, that street level retail and restaurants just haven't been able to keep up.

Tribeca is definitely getting there, and there are stretches along Church, or Varick or Hudson, that are very nice, but Tribeca is still very much a neighborhood that's a work in progress. By the time this building's done in 2016 I expect this neighborhood to be very different, for better or for worse.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 09:55 PM   #323
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it's the next Beekman Tower, in both height and design.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 10:27 PM   #324
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I don't like it because I don't like the irregularity of its shape
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Old October 12th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #325
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I normally don't get involved in discussions on the esthetics of buildings.

But in this case Kanto I have to intervene and say either 1) you are confusing this with some other building or 2) you've lost your mind.

This will be one of the very few innovative designs in NYC - thank god for not just another glass box. I wish it were taller (don't I always) but of buildings built in the past 3 decades in NYC this is in the top 10 or maybe even top 5. In fact, the only one I can think of off the top of my head that is as good is the Hearst building.
Ill go with #2 but trolling might a possibility too..
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Old October 12th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #326
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I have to agree with kanto. I don't think its ugly and I'm happy it's being built, but this type of tower sucks. Breaking it up into random sections is just as lazy as building a box like 432. It isn't even a design. Great towers are memorable. Who can say they could remember and draw this after glancing at it? You can't. It's like trying to visualize a child's randomly constructed lego tower.
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Old October 13th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #327
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Its beautiful , because its different !!!!!!!!
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Old October 14th, 2012, 12:07 AM   #328
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As innovative as this building is, I have to say it looks like crap. The massing is horrendous.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #329
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I normally don't get involved in discussions on the aesthetics of buildings.

But in this case Kanto I have to intervene and say either 1) you are confusing this with some other building or 2) you've lost your mind.

This will be one of the very few innovative designs in NYC - thank god for not just another glass box. I wish it were taller (don't I always) but of buildings built in the past 3 decades in NYC this is in the top 10 or maybe even top 5. In fact, the only one I can think of off the top of my head that is as good is the Hearst building.
Kanto just has strange taste. He only seems to like boxy buildings, and one of his least favorite buildings is the Chrysler building. To each their own I guess, but I will never understand it. Buildings like 432 park are holding NY back design wise, buildings like this are incredible. I can't wait to watch this rise.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 12:24 AM   #330
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Kanto just has strange taste. He only seems to like boxy buildings, and one of his least favorite buildings is the Chrysler building. To each their own I guess, but I will never understand it. Buildings like 432 park are holding NY back design wise, buildings like this are incredible. I can't wait to watch this rise.
I think 432 park isnt holding ny back more like forward for its height..but the design yea i guess blah boring, but this one is different i didn't really like it but its growing on me lol are their any renders showing where it would be like from across the river looking onto lower manhattan?
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Old October 14th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #331
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I think 432 park isnt holding ny back more like forward for its height..but the design yea i guess blah boring, but this one is different i didn't really like it but its growing on me lol are their any renders showing where it would be like from across the river looking onto lower manhattan?
Imagine Trump SoHo but with jagged edges and a few hundred feet higher and in Tribeca
also for a second there i thought we were talking about 432 park lol
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Old October 14th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #332
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Kanto just has strange taste. He only seems to like boxy buildings, and one of his least favorite buildings is the Chrysler building. To each their own I guess, but I will never understand it. Buildings like 432 park are holding NY back design wise, buildings like this are incredible. I can't wait to watch this rise.
NY isn't held back in any respect. The Hudson Yards towers, 56 Leonard, Torre Verre, 400 Park Ave. South, Mercedes House, the BIG Pyramid, 2 WTC, etc. are among the best and most innovative skyscrapers rising in the Americas and Europe. Within America itself no city remotely compares. Chicago, Boston, and Seattle are the only other US cities with much construction at the moment, and everything there is 500 foot boxes. Who knows what amazing supertalls will rise at 225 W 57th and at 42nd and Vanderbilt.

As the financial capital of the world, NY has an never-ending flow of skyscrapers.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 01:28 AM   #333
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NY isn't held back in any respect. The Hudson Yards towers, 56 Leonard, Torre Verre, 400 Park Ave. South, Mercedes House, the BIG Pyramid, 2 WTC, etc. are among the best and most innovative skyscrapers rising in the Americas and Europe. Within America itself no city remotely compares. Chicago, Boston, and Seattle are the only other US cities with much construction at the moment, and everything there is 500 foot boxes. Who knows what amazing supertalls will rise at 225 W 57th and at 42nd and Vanderbilt.

As the financial capital of the world, NY has an never-ending flow of skyscrapers.
I was just saying that 432 Park is lacking in design. As far as construction in other cities, Chicago has some 200m buildings and a possible super tall, OKC just finished a 250m building, and Boston has some great proposals, but nothing is near NY's level right now.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 01:37 AM   #334
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Imagine Trump SoHo but with jagged edges and a few hundred feet higher and in Tribeca
also for a second there i thought we were talking about 432 park lol
lol actually i wondered what 432 would look like from that angle to lol
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I acknowledged that Boston, Chicago, and Seattle are the other US cities with several towers under construction. However, I noted that, unlike NY -- which has many supertalls under construction or about to start construction -- those cities are building nothing but mundane, 500 foot boxes.

P.S.: Chicago has no supertalls planned. Wolf's Point's tallest tower, which is not a supertall, is years away -- if it's ever even built. 15 Penn, Manhattan West, and the supertall at One Hudson Yards will rise before that does. The Post Office Towers plan is not only hideous, but it will never be built.

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Old October 14th, 2012, 05:20 AM   #336
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I have to agree with kanto. I don't think its ugly and I'm happy it's being built, but this type of tower sucks. Breaking it up into random sections is just as lazy as building a box like 432. It isn't even a design. Great towers are memorable. Who can say they could remember and draw this after glancing at it? You can't. It's like trying to visualize a child's randomly constructed lego tower.
You may or may not like this building, but saying it is a lazy design, are you sure?.
A building isn't just a sculpture, where you design or create an outer form. In a building, you have to design the inner space as well. In a regular boxy building you may design just a type plan and repeat it x number of times. But in the case of a building like this you have to design many different floor plans. I am not sure if each one of the 57 stories of this building are different, but at least half of them are, so they have to design at least like 30 different floor plans, so, lazy, it is not.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 06:42 AM   #337
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It's a great design and an instant NYC icon. Herzog & de Meuron are no slouches when it comes to top notch design regardless of what detractors may think. There's plenty of room in New York for everyone's favorite architects to put up a skyscraper. And when the condo market come back full throttle, you'll all see what that means.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 03:02 PM   #338
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It's a great design and an instant NYC icon. Herzog & de Meuron are no slouches when it comes to top notch design regardless of what detractors may think. There's plenty of room in New York for everyone's favorite architects to put up a skyscraper. And when the condo market come back full throttle, you'll all see what that means.
I look forward to Herzog & debMeuron's 400m+ contribution at 225 W 57th.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #339
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So do I, but I'll enjoy this one as well. I love this style.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 03:09 PM   #340
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It's a great design and an instant NYC icon. Herzog & de Meuron are no slouches when it comes to top notch design regardless of what detractors may think. There's plenty of room in New York for everyone's favorite architects to put up a skyscraper. And when the condo market come back full throttle, you'll all see what that means.
+1. besides, Kanto is always hating the buildings the majority loves, and loving all the buildings in the ugly building thread. Taste varies, but Kanto lost his taste buds.
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