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Old March 17th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #1961
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Just about done, and I gotta say I'm not loving it.

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Old March 18th, 2016, 09:35 PM   #1962
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said but true,

oh well, let's wait for that reclad in 2073
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Old March 18th, 2016, 10:52 PM   #1963
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It's okay until the top, the last few floors kinda ruin it for me.
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Old March 18th, 2016, 11:39 PM   #1964
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I told you this wouldn't be a good idea for a Manhattan design, but most just wouldn't listen...

This could totally be standing in some 3rd tier developing city and no one would notice it was actually designed for NYC. Random shapes, mediocre quality, unfortunate proportions. Not even an average but a poor design imho. It's like glass-clad shipping containers randomly stacked on each other, childish Lego style.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 12:24 AM   #1965
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Because using words such as random shapes, mediocre quality and unfortunate proportions to describe this building is one thing, and calling 30 Park Place a timeless beauty is completely another thing.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 12:29 AM   #1966
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So you're actually saying a Neo Art Deco design will age badly, come out of fashion in some years? In a city that is widely known and celebrated for its Art Deco skyscrapers since decades? I guess time will prove you wrong rather than me.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 12:51 AM   #1967
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From a distance, it is the most unique one in the skyline. Up close, meh...
I still can't wait for the Anish Kapoor sculpture at the base.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 12:52 AM   #1968
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So you're actually saying a Neo Art Deco design will age badly, come out of fashion in some years? In a city that is widely known and celebrated for its Art Deco skyscrapers since decades? I guess time will prove you wrong rather than me.
So you are basically trying to convince me that a building like 30 Park Place that obviously lacks lots of angular decorations, symmetrical patterns and high quality materials such as stainless steel but has a concrete facade, can be called Neo Art Deco nowadays? In my dictionary there is this word - postmodern, I would say it's much more suitable for a building like that.
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I told you this wouldn't be a good idea for a Manhattan design, but most just wouldn't listen...

This could totally be standing in some 3rd tier developing city and no one would notice it was actually designed for NYC. Random shapes, mediocre quality, unfortunate proportions. Not even an average but a poor design imho. It's like glass-clad shipping containers randomly stacked on each other, childish Lego style.

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Old March 19th, 2016, 02:08 AM   #1970
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^ Your "comment" definitely is.


Architecture lover: I'd agree on postmodern in some aspects, but after all there's similarily simple highrise buildings in NYC from the 20s and especially 30s and 40s. But anyway, that just isn't the topic here. Opinions will remain opinions.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 02:26 AM   #1971
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I don't want NYC to make a parody of its heritage and overall American Art Deco like many other cities, or countries did recently, that's all. Because just like you said the city already is famous for its beautiful Art Deco buildings.
Postmodern is not a crime by any way, I just don't want to classify some buildings in genres that they might not be part of.
As for the off topic discussion if a moderator wants it can be moved in some more suitable thread. (if it's possible to move posts in different threads on skyscrapercity)
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Old March 19th, 2016, 02:38 AM   #1972
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It's called Neo Art Deco for a reason, because it's a postmodern revival of Art Deco.
But let's not get into definitionism here.
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So the off topic continues. It cannot be called Neo Art Deco, or some sort of revival because when you start from materials used like the concrete facade instead of extremely high quality materials (almost industrial), to high contrast colours mixing on the facade that might also have heroic looking statues, you realize that it cannot be called a revival or have both the postmodern and the neo word in front of Art Deco.
On topic I think this building (56 Leonard Street) would have looked better without the frames on the glass, because the glass would have looked more pristine, but I might be wrong.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 03:54 AM   #1974
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Finished and cleaned up

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Old March 19th, 2016, 06:04 PM   #1975
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Fluffy clouds over lower Manhattan this afternoon. by javansg, on Flickr
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Old March 20th, 2016, 04:42 AM   #1976
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To me, 30 PP is definitely not postmodern. Po-mo is all about subverting classic designs with older styles, often in a kind of humorous way and with weird proportions. I won't get into the semantics over whether it's neo/revival art deco, but it's historically respectful and staid enough that most people get the idea it's supposed to emulate the old downtown skyscrapers.

As for 56 Leonard, it's a bit like 432 Park in that it looks good from some angles and awkward from others. But overall I think it adds some fun to the downtown skyline. And it's not like it's interrupting a homogenous sea of old neoclassical and gothic skycrapers or anything.
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Old March 20th, 2016, 11:38 AM   #1977
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This is definitely not what we were expecting but again, it is not that bad, IMO.
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Old March 20th, 2016, 03:28 PM   #1978
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I would've preferred a clearer glass, but overall this is a great addition to the skyline, one of my favorite buildings under construction.

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Old March 21st, 2016, 12:06 AM   #1979
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