TURKEY | Railways

[djredon]

Originally Posted by serdar samanlı

TGV s are built by Alsthom. They were first introduced in 1981 and at that time there were no HSTs running in Korea I suppose

There is a high speed rail system in Korea based on the French TGV system : The Korea Train eXpress (KTX) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_Train_Express

The HSR-350xwas developed by Rotem (Hyundai Rotem Company).

[Kuvvaci]

yes this is correct info...

Actually including Turkey, many countries follow this method. First taking technology , techical support and trains. And with the technology of the supporter country they produce their trains. And later they develop their own trains and produce.

France is usually supporter country. Helped Korea and Spain... And Now Korea and Spain produce their own trains. And my country, Turkey, takes Spanish and Korean support (partly Italian but not so much).

[Jünyus Brütüs]

That's nice.. countries should suport eachother on HSR development. Now Turkey starts to operate it's own High Speed trains and later about in 10 years Turkey will start to support other countries to develop their railways and maybe HSR connection will be possible between Istanbul and Selanika with the Turkish support on Greece.

[CrazySerb]

Istanbul-Belgrade would be nice too

[Kuvvaci]

yes... we have already normal line actually... But unfortunatelly, we, Balkan countries, doesn't have good railways. I mean all of us. Western Europe has strong railway connection and railways bring the people of these countries closer. However Balkan nations are away from eachother although they are close in the distance. Railways bring us to close eachother.

[Messi]

Originally Posted by CrazySerb

Istanbul-Belgrade would be nice too

I think I used this line once at an average speed of 40 km/h

[serdar samanlı]

Originally Posted by Olympios

It seems that Turkey invests heavily on the railways. And that's great

If they invest more on railways, less people will travel by car and this will reduce traffic accidents.

[Kuvvaci]

no relation... You still don't understand and force yourself not to understand. Tell me why Germany has more cars than Turkey and better highway network, although Germany has the best (or one of the best and wide) railways network at the same time!

[MarcVD]

Originally Posted by cityscapes

Tatvan - Van seems like a waste since its not connected to any major cities and has so many stops going around the lake. Raybus or intercity trains would make more sense.

On the map of all the HSR lines Eskisehir Afyon and Burdur should eventually be connected to make a quicker route from Istanbul to the south.

My friend, the stretch Tatvan-Van is far more important than what you seem
to understand.

In a year or so, the Iranian railways should have closed the gap between
Bam, the farthest point they reach now in the south-east direction, and
Zahedan, a city near the Iran-Pakistan border.

Zahedan is also the most western point reached by the wide-gauge
railway system of the indian subcontinent.

That means that once the gap Bam-Zahedan is closed, it becomes possible
to link directly Europe and India by rail. And a reasonably well operated
rail link between India and Europe would make the travel time of a container
between those two places about half of what it is now by sea through the
Suez Canal.

This reduction in travel time, combined with the current difficulties caused
by the widespread piracy that occurs now south of the red sea, would make
such a connection tremendously attractive for the shipping companies.

Does that mean that we're going to see containers going by rail between
Rotterdam and Mumbai anytime soon ? Most probably not. And this because
of three reasons :

First, the wide-gauge line between Zahedan and Quetta, in Pakistan, needs
a complete refurbishment before it can support any sizable traffic. There is
currently only one train every forthnight running in each direction on this
line.

Second, the Marmarail project in Istanbul must be finished to allow the trains
to cross the Bosphorus straits without the help of a ferry.

And third, there is... you guessed it, the Van lake. The 2 ferries that operate
on this lake are almost 40 years old and cannot load more than 10 to 12
freight waggons for their 5 hours cruise. That means a max volume of 48
waggons per day each way if both units are constantly operating, which is
very unlikely, given their current state of (dis)repair. So, in order for this line
to become THE railway of the 21st century, a way around the Van lake must
be planned for, urgently. There is no alternative...

[Kuvvaci]

Engine Drivers of TCDD got their HST Driver Licance

Engine Drivers of TCDD are complated their high speed train licance training both in Turkey and Spain and got their licance.

[Kuvvaci]

Italian Railways and Turkish Railkways signed cooperation agreement.

Agreement includes, thecnology transfer, education of staff, training, infrasutructure support and rail production.

[Ejdera]

Originally Posted by Argentinian Messi

I think I used this line once at an average speed of 40 km/h

There is a line from Austria till the Turkish border.You also pass Belgrade.But with a very low speed.You need 2 days from Austria till Turkey.

It is called Optima Express




Turkey plans to built a high-speed line till the bulgarian border.I hope in future it can be developed till Austria.

[Augusto]

Originally Posted by serdar samanlı

Those E14000s look like SNCF Z 6100s

Well, If you say so.
They come from the same country anyway, in the turkish trains you can see the plate "Jeumont France". Jeumont-Schneider manufacture has been bought by Alstom (still Alsthom at this time).

[serdar samanlı]

Originally Posted by Augusto

Well, If you say so.
They come from the same country anyway, in the turkish trains you can see the plate "Jeumont France". Jeumont-Schneider manufacture has been bought by Alstom (still Alsthom at this time).

E14000s are built in TÜVASAŞ factory in Adapazarı but as they are built under Alsthom licence, its normal for them to look like French trains.

[Augusto]

Ok. But I'm sure that in the train I took there was a plate saying that it was manufactured in Jeumont, France in the 50'. May be the first trains were manufactured in France and the others by TÜVASAŞ under Jeumont-Scneider licence?

[serdar samanlı]

Originally Posted by Augusto

Ok. But I'm sure that in the train I took there was a plate saying that it was manufactured in Jeumont, France in the 50'. May be the first trains were manufactured in France and the others by TÜVASAŞ under Jeumont-Scneider licence?

That must be an E8000. E8000s differ from E14000s as they have rounder corners than the latter. Also E8000s have diamond shaped pantographs while E14000s have elbow pantographs.

[Augusto]

That's it. So the E8000 are operating on the european "banliyö" and the E14000 on the asian side? By the way I found that the E8000 are quite well maintened considering their age.
image hosted on flickr

[serdar samanlı]

E8000s were purchased in 1955 and many of them are stil running! I hope there are among the oldest surviving EMUs in the world. They definitely deserve a place in museums

[serdar samanlı]

E14000s are also used in European side to supplement E8000s

[Kuvvaci]

Originally Posted by serdar samanlı

E8000s were purchased in 1955 and many of them are stil running! I hope there are among the oldest surviving EMUs in the world. They definitely deserve a place in museums

they don't run anymore...