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Old February 1st, 2010, 09:53 AM   #381
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Old February 1st, 2010, 11:01 AM   #382
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Weird... There hasn't been any rail connection between Ankara and Konya. Now there is a high speed one. Definition of "quantum leap"
Turkey's railway history is threefold. First, in the 19th century the central state was short of funds and relied mostly on foreign private investors to develop its railways. They of course were mainly interested to build railways where it was profitable because of exports, such as Mediterranean fruits, cotton, or later oil. After 1923, the republican state invested strongly into railways especially to exploit mineral resources such as coal mines. While more systematically spread about the country, this second wave of rail construction left out several important cities and were quite primitive even by the standards of the 1920s/1930s. After 1949, rail development came to an almost complete standstill under American influence, which promoted road development. Only since 2003 there has been a turn back to serious developments in railways. The present government figures that it should not bother catching up to 20th century standards but head straight for the 21st century by investing into HSL. This naturally leads to some problems, as the old and new rail systems are practically incompatible and funding of HSL swallows the lion's share of investments, which could also be used to improve the existing raillines to acceptable standards. Nonetheless HSL has the potential to win back traffic from the roads and airlines because of its speed and comfort.
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Old February 1st, 2010, 09:29 PM   #383
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Nice trains in Turkey!
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 09:49 PM   #384
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Difficult to say. The present day direct train Istanbul-Kars takes 36.5 hours, and is known for its incredible delays even beyond that. From Kars it would be a ride of another 250 km, 125 km new rails, 125 old tracks in Georgia. No idea about speeds there at the moment, or how fast the Kars to Georgia link plans to be. A border crossing in this part of the world customarily takes about 2 hours for a train.
Both countries have pledged to renovate the tracks leading up to the rail link. However, the main factor is whether Turkey manages to develop its East-West highspeed rail corridor quickly. By 2013 (Istanbul-ankara HSL to finish), this should reduce the Istanbul-Kars travelling time to 30 hours. When the second section (Ankara-Sivas) finishes probably a few years later it would be only 16.5 hours. Should the whole route Istanbul-Kars become HSL it would take only 11 hours. Hope this helps your calculations.


Thank you very much !

So 36.5 hours to Kars + let's Say some 20 more hours to Tbilisi as today train from Akhalkalaki takes some 10 hours to Tbilisi but it goes very slowly and stops at some stations for 30 minutes, so if they renew everything there it can take as little as 4 hours from border to Tbilisi. And probably maximum 4 hourse from Kars to border at speed of aprx. 35 km/h. + 2 hours - border/customs.

to conclude, 50 hours must be enough in case rail improves in Georgian part and when HSL is finished it will take like maximum 27 - 30 hours which is same as bus travel today.
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Old February 4th, 2010, 03:25 PM   #385
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Turkey's railway history is threefold. First, in the 19th century the central state was short of funds and relied mostly on foreign private investors to develop its railways. They of course were mainly interested to build railways where it was profitable because of exports, such as Mediterranean fruits, cotton, or later oil. After 1923, the republican state invested strongly into railways especially to exploit mineral resources such as coal mines. While more systematically spread about the country, this second wave of rail construction left out several important cities and were quite primitive even by the standards of the 1920s/1930s. After 1949, rail development came to an almost complete standstill under American influence, which promoted road development. Only since 2003 there has been a turn back to serious developments in railways. The present government figures that it should not bother catching up to 20th century standards but head straight for the 21st century by investing into HSL. This naturally leads to some problems, as the old and new rail systems are practically incompatible and funding of HSL swallows the lion's share of investments, which could also be used to improve the existing raillines to acceptable standards. Nonetheless HSL has the potential to win back traffic from the roads and airlines because of its speed and comfort.

Thanks very much for this overview.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 09:53 AM   #386
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Old February 5th, 2010, 06:58 PM   #387
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Looking good and soon people will have a clean and smooth transpotation cars.
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Old February 10th, 2010, 09:19 AM   #388
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Test drives of new Hundai-Rotem Suburban EMU trains of Ankara






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Old February 14th, 2010, 03:22 PM   #389
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Turkish Highspeed Lines which will be completed between 2008-2013

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Old February 15th, 2010, 01:29 PM   #390
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i like the design of the turkish trains
white with red and blue stripes
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Bravo Turkey! Very interesting presentation, I hope one day Turkey and Bulgaria will have a connection. Bulgarian side improvements are also running the lines in the direction of Turkey.

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Old February 23rd, 2010, 08:41 PM   #392
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yeah, Turkey needs that. But I heard for a recent accident with those high-speeds in Turkey, what was the reason for that to happen?
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Old February 24th, 2010, 11:14 AM   #393
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[QUOTE=BGpioneer222;52393193]Bravo Turkey! Very interesting presentation, I hope one day Turkey and Bulgaria will have a connection. Bulgarian side improvements are also running the lines in the direction of Turkey.

As you can see from the map above, Turkish State Railways have a finished plan for highspeed to the Bulgarian border (map above: blue - u.c., red - finished plans). They apparently hope to receive EU funding for this construction. Unfortunately, there is no word that this construction will begin anytime soon, although the project is comparetively uncomplicated and cheap (750 million USD) compared to the mountaineous terrain in Eastern and Southern Turkey. The plans calculated that it could be completed in less than 4 years. It would definitely be worthwhile, people could travel in 3-4 hours from Sofia to Istanbul, if the border formalities were improved like they now are on the Serbian-Bulgarian crossing.

@miro: The accident is discussed under http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=827508&page=3
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...326142&page=35
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Old February 25th, 2010, 05:21 PM   #394
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Rotem trains are very like those of Athens metro, with minor changes

I like them very much !
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Old February 26th, 2010, 11:44 AM   #395
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[QUOTE=Baron Hirsch;52427809]
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Bravo Turkey! Very interesting presentation, I hope one day Turkey and Bulgaria will have a connection. Bulgarian side improvements are also running the lines in the direction of Turkey.

As you can see from the map above, Turkish State Railways have a finished plan for highspeed to the Bulgarian border (map above: blue - u.c., red - finished plans). They apparently hope to receive EU funding for this construction. Unfortunately, there is no word that this construction will begin anytime soon, although the project is comparetively uncomplicated and cheap (750 million USD) compared to the mountaineous terrain in Eastern and Southern Turkey. The plans calculated that it could be completed in less than 4 years. It would definitely be worthwhile, people could travel in 3-4 hours from Sofia to Istanbul, if the border formalities were improved like they now are on the Serbian-Bulgarian crossing.

@miro: The accident is discussed under http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=827508&page=3
and
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...326142&page=35
HSR will arrive the Bulgarian border but first our current projects must be complated. Bosphorus underwater rail tunnel and Marmarail projects, Istanbul-Ankara, Ankara-Konya, and Bursa. I believe that construction to Bulgarian border wil be an issue after 2012... I think Bulgaria won't be ready before 2012 either... So, after 2012, construction can start from the both side of the border and it would be very impressive...
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Old February 26th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #396
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Rotem trains are very like those of Athens metro, with minor changes

I like them very much !
are they Rotem too?
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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:30 AM   #397
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New Ankara HS Train station (apporved)
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 03:45 PM   #398
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are they Rotem too?
yes.

here is a photo:

and a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZVuJKAxzN8
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 10:44 PM   #399
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is there any photos of eurotem hsr?
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Old March 6th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #400
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yes.

here is a photo:

and a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZVuJKAxzN8
yes ı got on those trains in Athens, when I went to the airport. Yes they are almost the same with different decoration...
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