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Old April 12th, 2010, 12:42 AM   #421
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what do you mean? They are not build for fun, no choice!
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Old April 12th, 2010, 08:34 AM   #422
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too many tunnels...
Yes we dont have choice. It cost more money when our geography is not like holland.
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Old April 26th, 2010, 01:31 AM   #423
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In Holland we build expensive tunnels below flat grass lands to protect the landscape.
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Old April 26th, 2010, 01:43 AM   #424
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Anyways, I have a question:

This summer I'd like to visit Turkey again, and I'm thinking about visiting the Van lake. However, I saw that the trains in that direction only run to Elazig at this moment.

Will the trains run all the way to Tatvan again during the summer?
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Old April 26th, 2010, 08:02 AM   #425
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Even if the trains were running, it would be too far (like 24 hours of train), you'll have to take the plane.
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Old April 26th, 2010, 10:45 AM   #426
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Thanks for the Istanbul train ferry photo Kuvvaci.

I've also seen already some photos of the quite amusing little ferry operation across Lake Van. In the meantime, do you, Kuvvaci, or anyone else here, have any photos of the two other standard gauge train ferry operations at:

1. Samsun
2. Mersin

and the broad gauge terminal at:

3. Derince
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Old April 26th, 2010, 11:20 AM   #427
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Even if the trains were running, it would be too far (like 24 hours of train), you'll have to take the plane.
I know that it takes long and that the plane is faster, but still I'd like to go by train.

So how are the prospectives? Any chance the Vangölü express will be running to Tatvan again soon? And how about the Transasya express?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 12:21 PM   #428
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So how are the prospectives? Any chance the Vangölü express will be running to Tatvan again soon? And how about the Transasya express?
The official declaration by Turkish Rail states that it should be back by the first week of June, when works will have been completed. However, it is hard to trust TCDD on such subjects. They have a record of closing down remote lines for "renovation" "temporarily", and then taking years until people have forgotten that a train used to run there. This happened with the Taurus Express and the Pamukkale Express. There is an unofficial doctrine at TCDD that non-renovated lines are not worth the bother to keep open for passenger trains, which sadly is leading to a slow disconnection of some parts of the country from the railway network.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 10:27 AM   #429
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Thanks! I've now heard, though, that the Transasya Express still runs all the way to Tatvan.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:32 AM   #430
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Thanks! I've now heard, though, that the Transasya Express still runs all the way to Tatvan.
Good. But I believe you are not authorized to board this train for
domestic travel. This tgrain is only for international passengers. So
if the Van Lake Express is not re-instated, you're still out of luck.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:36 AM   #431
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The official declaration by Turkish Rail states that it should be back by the first week of June, when works will have been completed. However, it is hard to trust TCDD on such subjects. They have a record of closing down remote lines for "renovation" "temporarily", and then taking years until people have forgotten that a train used to run there. This happened with the Taurus Express and the Pamukkale Express. There is an unofficial doctrine at TCDD that non-renovated lines are not worth the bother to keep open for passenger trains, which sadly is leading to a slow disconnection of some parts of the country from the railway network.
Taurus express (which was actually only just a syrian couchette car added
at the end of a domestic TCDD express) has indeed disappeared, but Syrian
railways have instated a bi-weekly DMU service between Gaziantep and
Aleppo. That would not make sense if TCDD were to withdraw train service
to Gaziantep permanently.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:38 AM   #432
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There is an unofficial doctrine at TCDD that non-renovated lines are not worth the bother to keep open for passenger trains, which sadly is leading to a slow disconnection of some parts of the country from the railway network.
Could you tell us which lines have been permanently cut-off from the TCDD
network recently ?
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Old May 1st, 2010, 01:35 AM   #433
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Good. But I believe you are not authorized to board this train for domestic travel. This tgrain is only for international passengers. So if the Van Lake Express is not re-instated, you're still out of luck.
You are absolutely right! Argh.

To me it appears that train travel in Turkey is not exactly reliable. Last year, I was told only after arriving in Istanbul that the through sleeping car to Belgrade didn't run and that you'd have a good chance of stranding in Sofia. And now this...

On a positive note: last year the story had a happy end after everything seemed to go wrong, so I have good hopes that this time everything will turn out fine too.

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Old May 1st, 2010, 05:04 PM   #434
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Could you tell us which lines have been permanently cut-off from the TCDD
network recently ?
The following trains have been withdrawn as of the beginning of this year:

“Ankara-Zonguldak (Karaelmas Ekspresi), Kars-Akyaka-Kars (local train), Ankara-Kars-Ankara (Erzurum Ekspresi), Diyarbakır-Adana-Diyarbakır (local train), Ankara-Malatya-Ankara (4 Eylül Mavi Treni), Ankara-İzmir (Basmane) (9 Eylül Ekspresi).

Lines completely out of (passenger) service are thus:

- Ankara-Zonguldak (except for Zonguldak-Karabük; see above)
- Afyon-Denizli-Aydin, including branches to Isparta and Burdur (former Pamukkale Express, plus Göller Express and local trains; between Afyon and Denizli there is to my knowledge actually construction going on)
- Adana-Gaziantep, including branch to Iskenderun (former Taurus Express)
The latter two have been closed for years now.

The Belgrade-Istanbul direct sleeper coach is back for the moment, although I have read net rumors of its scheduled complete withdrawal in summer (Serbian Railways operates the coach in winter, TCDD in summer).
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Old June 4th, 2010, 12:08 AM   #435
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Is there anywhere that I can go to find specs and info on the Inter-city train. I want to find some drawings if possible, and passenger per trains etc... Any help would be great
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Old August 25th, 2010, 05:15 AM   #436
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What a beautiful rail system! It would be incredible to see electric train sets made from this system.
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Old September 5th, 2010, 05:09 PM   #437
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I think we need some update regarding highspeed in Turkey.

The Konya line is 90% completed. PM Erdogan will use the highspeed train to go to Konya from Ankara on december to pay a visit to a festival taking place in this city.





Beside this the proposal for Eskisehir's new terminal has been finally published. It will be built next to the current station similar to the plan in Ankara.
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This is new approved project of Ankara. It will be comleted by 2013 with the comlete opening of the Ankara-Eskisehir-Istanbul / Konya-Eskisehir-Istanbul line.





Ankara-Konya line 90% completed:




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Old September 5th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #438
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Thanks Messy, for that update and the pictures of Eskisehir which I had never seen before. 1 or 2 corrections to the map and further infromation: Sincan to Inönü is actually no longer u/c but mostly in operation with some sections (Inönü-Eskisehir and the first 15 kilometers after Sincan) undergoing test rides. Yerköy to Sivas is not just projected but u/c. The high-speed train to Konya will begin commercial operations next March.
The two projects up next are the side branch to Bursa, the greater part of which should be up for tender sometime this year, and Ankara-Yerköy which should be up for tender sometime next year. No clear date for the Edirne and Izmir lines yet.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 04:29 PM   #439
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What's going on with railway tunnel between Cerkezköy and Istanbul Sirkeci? Is there any pictures of works on that line?
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Old September 7th, 2010, 10:51 AM   #440
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Never saw any fotos of that work. Since a few weeks now, trains are once again running between Cerkezköy and Istanbul, and so the international trains from Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, and Greece once more terminate in Sirkeci. Possibly construction is still going on though, as trains are reported to arrive up to 3 hours late.
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