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Old January 7th, 2013, 04:22 AM   #561
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What's the future for Haydarpasa and Sirkaci stations? Are they retained, or will they be replaced by a new underground station when the Bosporus Tunnel will be ready?
It's a good thing the bustitution in Bulgaria is finally over (read on seat61.com). Now the bustitution in Turkey for the sleeper trains
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Old January 7th, 2013, 12:06 PM   #562
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What's the future for Haydarpasa and Sirkaci stations? Are they retained, or will they be replaced by a new underground station when the Bosporus Tunnel will be ready?
The two stations will lose their railway function, but should subsist, the european one as a museum, and the asian one as a high-class hotel.
At least that's what I heard.
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Old January 7th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #563
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The situation is complicated. There are attempts to retain both buildings for rail services, as the single east to west line will in future be very crowded, too crowded for both intercity and sububrban services. However what seems clear is that neither Haydarpasa nor Sirkeci (present building) will retain suburban lines. All suburban trains will pass through the tunnel and stop underground. Intercity services might still terminate in Haydarpasa (if coming from Asia) and Sirkeci (coming from Europe), but there are conflicts of interest about this which are far from being resolved.
As for the trains from Bulgaria, they are running to Sirkeci at present only because of a winter break in construction. In a month or so the bussing will resume and perhaps in February or March the European Istanbul network will shut down completely for modernization and integration into the tunnel rail.
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Old January 7th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #564
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I asked the same question over at the Turkey-section a few months ago and the answear I got there was that it's still uncertain. TCDD do want to retain the Sirkeci line while the local municipality wants to rebuild the former gardens that the line occupies.

There have been petitions to retain both stations and there is no definitive answear yet. To me retaining Sirkeci sounds quite reasonable since it the new underground station will be located close to the current station. Since Haydarpasa will be on a spur line traffic flows might be a bit more unpractical. However I hope they manage to find a solution where both stations can remain, atlest for the more "exotic" long-distance trains.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 12:30 PM   #565
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Old January 12th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #566
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I took the train between Istanbul and Bucharest a few days ago. We were delayed between Istanbul and Erdine/Kapikule, arriving 3.5 hours late at 06:30.

I'm aware the railway is being upgraded (until recently the service as far as Kapikule was replaced by bus), but it was too dark to see exactly how the railway is being upgraded. Is it being replaced with a high speed line (already? I know this is planned at some point)? Is it being doubled?

A high proportion of the traffic on this line is freight, so if a high speed line is constructed will a conventional line remain beside it (as with Ankara/Sincan-Eskisehir) or would the line be a mixed high speed/conventional line. Many of the lines in China up to 250km/h are mixed running while their higher speed lines (350km/h) are typically dedicated passenger lines ("PDL").

It's true that the state of the railways across the border is not good, but progress does seem to be made there with EU help. The line between the border (Svilengrad) and Plovdiv, half way to Sofia (and until recently, the slower half) is being upgraded with half already finished. The design speed of the upgrade is 160km/h/200km/h. Here's the project website:
http://www.plovdivsvilengradrailway....-km-h-235.html
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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #567
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SIEMENS won tender for 6 train sets and 1 Simulator for the Eskisehir-Konya Highspeed Route with average 300 km/h speed




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Old March 24th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #568
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Is there any update of that map? (For instance, isn't the line to Konya complete?)
This is the latest update.

3 routes are open for High Speed Trains :

1. Ankara-Eskisehir
2. Ankara-Konya
3. Eskisehir-Konya

Istanbul-Ankara will be opened in Octobre,2013 and connected with Marmaray Project ( bypass the bosphorus with under water tunnels )

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Old March 24th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #569
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On Saturday Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan inaugurated Turkey’s newest high-speed rail link, which will connect the Anatolian cities of Eskişehir and Konya via a two-hour train journey.
The new line is a sign of the growing investment which Ankara has pledged for its long-neglected railway network, but just what the future holds for Turkish railways remains far from clear as the government plans to pour billions into railways as it opens them up to private operators. “Will it make sense to open up freight or commercial lines? That will depend on how extensive and well spent the state investment is,” said an official from Sabancı Holding who asked to remain anonymous. “There are certainly opportunities, but no private company operates in the rail sector and transitioning into a completely new industry is going to require clearly defined government plans and pretty lucrative opportunities.”

Transportation, Maritime Affairs and Communications Minister Binali Yıldırım submitted a bill to Parliament this month which would sell off state train operator Turkish State Railways (TCDD) and offer operating licenses to private firms, a step which would end the long government monopoly on freight and passenger transport. Also this week, Economy Minister Zafer Çağlayan promised a $50 billion investment on the country’s physical network of railway lines, bridges and stations -- which will remain in state hands -- by 2015. That in turn would seem like an attractive deal for private firms that may be hesitant about operating on an outdated network and strengthens the argument that Ankara is betting that it can facilitate a more efficient transportation system based on railways.

Çağlayan strengthened that possibility by proposing this month the construction of a rail line between Konya, Karaman and Mersin, which would help the central industrial cities gain access to Mersin’s sizeable port for container ships, a facility which the government is also earmarking funds to expand. The minister linked the possible project to Ankara’s highest economy priority -- expanding exports to reduce its trade deficit -- at a speech in Mersin by expressing displeasure over the fact that “in 2012, $78 billion in exports were shipped by sea, $50 billion by road and $22 billion by air. Unfortunately, the country’s railway network only handled $1 billion worth of exports that year.” One direct move to up the export capacity of the country’s rail network was the opening of a rail ferry between Russia and the Black Sea city of Samsun in late February, a link Transportation Minister Yıldırım said would see an annual traffic of 300,000 tons of rolling stock within five years.

But though the government’s plans to push rail-based transportation are sure to shake up the commercial transportation industry, just how the move will affect the public transportation industry is less clear. So far, government-funded high-speed rail lines have moved to steal passengers away from the country’s massive bus industry. The opening of a line in 2009 between Ankara and Eskişehir has, by government estimates, carried 7.3 million passengers since its opening and taken a staggering 55 percent of customers away from bus companies operating that route. The addition of a high-speed rail link between Ankara and Konya in 2011 meanwhile is estimated to have stolen as much as 70 percent of bus firms’ passengers.

“That’s why we’re excited about privatization,” said Tuncay Özdoğan, a manager at Metro, one of Turkey’s largest bus operators. “High-speed trains are often loss making and are at least more expensive than buses. You need a state to run them. Private firms would compete at our level.” Özdoğan may indeed get his wish, however, as Yıldırım’s recent bill said that the government would sell off the pioneering lines which it has poured billions of lira into opening.

The draft bill suggested that the Ankara-Eskişehir line, the Ankara-Konya line and presumably the newly opened Eskişehir-Konya route would be open to private bidders. It stated that state personnel working on national rail lines would be dismissed with a severance package worth 40 percent of their annual salary.

The government has also shown hesitancy in its privatization programs, with Prime Minister Erdoğan stating last month that he would “be betraying his country and people” if he allowed a network of İstanbul roads and bridges to be sold for the original closing bid of $5.6 billion. He also pledged to “review” an earlier purchase by Torunlar Foods of İstanbul’s gas provider Başkentgaz.

Privatizations looked to be back on track last week, however, with the country selling several power distribution centers for $3.5 billion. But it may still be too early to decide if the atmosphere is right for private rail, said the Sabancı official. “We need to see the details first. Only then can one do the math.”
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Old March 25th, 2013, 06:41 AM   #570
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Nice, I didnt know Konya-Eskisehir was 300km/h. I thought it was 250km/h.
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Old March 25th, 2013, 02:21 PM   #571
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As far as I know it is even 350 km/h.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #572
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I hope Eisenman Architects & Aytaç Architects project wins
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Old May 30th, 2013, 03:44 PM   #573
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This article states that the 3rd Bosphorous bridge will have two railway tracks.

Will they be a part of Turkey HSR network?
Will they be used only by Istanbul Metrosystem?
Will they be used in a combined way(the way the Marmara tunnel will be used by Istanbul metro and passenger railway operator(s) during the day and by freight railway operators during the night)?
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Old May 30th, 2013, 03:52 PM   #574
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The railway will be primarily used by regional and long distance passenger trains, and regional and long distance freight trains.

The latter especially will be seen in considerable numbers I expect.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 08:10 AM   #575
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Old July 9th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #576
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Any update on the Marmaray project?
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Any update on the Marmaray project?
I saw in an article of Railway Gazette International yesterday that a test train
travelled the full length of the Marmaray tunnel for the first time last month.
This is great news, but the new infrastructure will not open to the public
before 2015. Still lots of work to do. Can't wait !!!

Another infrastructure project I'd like to get some news about is the new
line between Kars and Tbilissi... Any progress on that ? It would be nice to
see Turkey connected by railway to its eastern neighbours again. There are
too many severed railway connections in that area.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:22 AM   #578
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The 13,5 long tunnel section, which connects both continents will be open on october 29th. The suburban lines, which extend Marmaray to the west and east won't be open before 2015.


On this map the white section will be open whereas the red sections on the European and Asia side will take some more time.

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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #579
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The 13,5 long tunnel section, which connects both continents will be open on october 29th. The suburban lines, which extend Marmaray to the west and east won't be open before 2015
First train ran last month, and till end October only, they will have enough
time to certify the equipment and rolling stock, and train the personnel ?
I'm impressed... really. This will be a giant step for this magnificent city.
On the other end, I'm sure that there will be people who will regret the
disparition of the small boat lines crossing the Bosphorus. I hope the Vapurs
won't all disappear.
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Maybe the boats are still of use for example for people travelling between the historical city centre and Kadiköy? With Marmaray you'd have to change means of transports one more time and it'd cost an extra jeton(?).
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