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Old July 10th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #601
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random images from İstanbul-Ankara HSR line construction,
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Old August 21st, 2014, 02:42 PM   #602
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BALO Logistics Freight Trains at turkish-bulgarian border.

Kapikule ( turkish border ) towards Kapitan Andreewo ( bulgarian )



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Old August 24th, 2014, 11:14 AM   #603
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Do turkish railways have any plans for a connection to Iran that excludes the Van ferry?
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Old August 24th, 2014, 01:50 PM   #604
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There was a plan several years ago to connect Tatvan with Van, bypassing Lake Van on the north. I have not heard anything about that for years now. There is another, more recent plan to build a line from Kars to Nahixevan (exclave of Azerbaidzhan), which would be a prime candidate for an extension towards Northern Iran.
None of this is going to happen anytime soon. For the moment TCDD is investing into new, higher capacity and faster ferries on Lake Van, which could enter service rather soon.
Maybe the Chinese with their plans for a Eurasian fast connection can stir things up a little. After all, their latest route apparently is set to run through Iran to Turkey, and not via Azerbaidzhan/Georgia.
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Old August 24th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #605
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Can anybody give me any further information on the rebuilding of the Elazig to Tatvan railway? I understand that construction of a dam will cause some of the existing route to be submerged , and a new route is being constructed. I haven't seen any mention of this anywhere in this thread before. Any timescales, photos? Thanks in advance.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 10:16 AM   #606
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build a line from Kars to Nahixevan (exclave of Azerbaidzhan), which would be a prime candidate for an extension towards Northern Iran.
The line betweek Kars and Nahixevan is to be built, but between Nahixevan
and Iran, it's operational already. It is part of the old Russia-Georgia-Armenia-
Iran route, now interrupted at 3 places because of the unstability in the
region, but between Nahixevan and Jolfa (the border station with Iran) it is
open. There was even a daily passenger service on this line in the Iranian
railways schedule, but it seems to have disappeared in the latest update.
Of course if it becomes a permanent Turkey-Iran route, it might make sense
to re-gauge it, so that it is UIC gauge all the way.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #607
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TURKISH TRAINS TO PULL OUT IN NOVEMBER



ISTANBUL — Delivering a statement regarding the national E1000 Type Electric Locomotive Project, Minister of Science, Industry and Technology Fikri Işık stated that Turkish State Railways (TCDD) has developed a one-megawatt-power electric locomotive to meet its shunting and short-haul load-carrying needs and that it will begin operating in November.

Işık also said that after a certain while, Turkey will become one of the leading countries of the world in terms of rail systems.

"We are planning to put 70 shunting locomotives and 110 high-speed trains on tracks by 2023. We have produced a prototype of an electric locomotive and managed its test drive successfully," he added.
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Old October 13th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #608
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Could someone provide more details about the new electric locomotive?

Thank you!
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Old October 17th, 2014, 01:42 PM   #609
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Baku-Tiblisi-Kars Railway project to be ready at the end of 2015

Turkey´s part is already finished in 2014

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SILK ROAD TO BE RECONSTRUCTED UNDER MODERN TERMS FOR RAILWAYS

The Baku-Tbilisi-Kars Railway Line is one of the most important projects for the Modern Silk Road and Turkey will complete its part of the construction process by the end of the year of 2014



ISTANBUL — The Minister of Transportation, Maritime and Communication Lütfi Elvan attended the conference Baku-Tbilisi-Kars (BTK) Railway Line – New Opportunities in Developing the Historical Silk Way organized in Azerbaijan's capital, Baku. Speaking at the conference Elvan underlined the historical significance of the BTK project and said, "With the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars Project, we are not just building a railway line on our lands, but also establishing a link of peace and brotherhood. We are all one at heart with the same good intentions on opposite SIDES of the border."

Underlining the importance of political, economic and social cooperation, Elvan referred to the BTK Railway Line Project as a common development and progress project and said that the line of cooperation and brotherhood should be protected by all the countries involved. "Between 2003 and 2013 about TL 32.5 billion [$14.3 billion] was INVESTED in the railway sector. Our target for 2023 is to renew and modernize 25,000 kilometers of railways, out of which 12,000 kilometers will be ultra-speed and high-speed railways. Ten percent of this current system will serve passenger trains, 15 percent will serve FREIGHT trains and all trains will be constructed by Turkish companies," Elvan said. He further added that their goal is to extend the ultra and high-speed railway on the Silk Road route to Edirne in the west and Kars in the east. He further touched on the significance of the Avrasya tunnel, which is the sister project of Marmaray and will pass under the Bosporus and Istanbul's third Airport, which is designed to be one of the most prominent airports in the world, Çandarlı Port in North Aegean and the third Bosporus bridge. "When all these projects are completed, not only Turkey, but Central Asia and the Caucasus's access to Europe will become much easier."

Elvan announced their targets for the transportation industry after the BTK project is completed. He said that currently 83 percent of the project, which involves construction of a 79-kilometer railway with a budget of $700 million, has been completed and that they are planning to finish the part located in Turkey by the end of the year. "This will be an important line for the modern Silk Road. Connecting Central Asia to Turkey over the Caspian Sea and from here to Europe through the Marmaray project will ensure that there is easier, safer and quicker transportation between Central Asia and Europe. The transportation infrastructure of the countries in the region will also be linked together. Central Asian countries will have fast transportation links between themselves with the implementation of this project. The Baku-Tbilisi-Kars project, which is an important and supplementary part of the East-West transportation corridor, will unite Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey and also will ensure that the Aktau Port in Kazakhstan and Türkmenbaşı Port in Turkmenistan gain more strategic value in the corridor. China will be connected to Europe over the Caspian Sea region, Central Asia and Turkey. This will ensure economic progress and development and also cultural RELATIONS between the countries will improve," said Elvan.

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Old October 17th, 2014, 04:23 PM   #610
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The Baku-Tiblisi-Kars Railroad Project

From London to Beijing ( The new Silk Road )

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Old October 17th, 2014, 10:50 PM   #611
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Please Whama, have a look at what you reproduce before posting such obvious propaganda. Also since journalists of papers like sabah are not accustomed to use their brains, as they always just write what the ministers tell them, they do not even bother to check what they publish:

Quoting Daily Sabah:
"Between 2003 and 2013 about TL 32.5 billion [$14.3 billion] was INVESTED in the railway sector. Our target for 2023 is to renew and modernize 25,000 kilometers of railways, out of which 12,000 kilometers will be ultra-speed and high-speed railways. Ten percent of this current system will serve passenger trains, 15 percent will serve FREIGHT trains and all trains will be constructed by Turkish companies," Elvan said."

And the remaining 75 % will be used for the private trains of the government ministers or what???
And just look at a map to see if anybody will ever go from London to Beijing in wild zigzag lines via Istanbul, Azerbaijan, then take a ferry across the Caspian Sea, etc. etc. or whether they will not just stick with the long-established route via Moscow. And there is of course such things as flying for passengers and ships for freight at these distances.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 11:38 PM   #612
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Old October 17th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #613
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Well, the "Baku-Tiblisi-Kars Railway" already existed, it easily runs through Armenia. The only bad thing is that Amenian-Turkish relations are still close to 0° Kelvin and caught in the narrative of the 1 to 1.5 million Armenian killed by the Turkish in the years following WW1, also known as the "Armenian Holocaust".

So states "invest/burn" money to build a railway around Armenia. It is a mountain railway, therefore heavily expensive.

But that is the result when history is denied (in this case by Turkish Govts.) even hundred years later, instead of admitting, processing, repairing and re-conciliating ...


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Old October 18th, 2014, 12:23 PM   #614
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we opened our archives for researches, they didn't,
because if 1 or more million Armenian killed there shouldn't be any Armenia.
both sides killed each other.
there are piles of skulls of Turkish people in eastern Anatolia.

there is no need to start political conversation in this thread.
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Old October 18th, 2014, 01:19 PM   #615
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Thanx, Xanterra, for the clarification.
@Arda: There is lots of good research on this nowadays, and much of it is being done in Turkey. Based on the Talat Pasha diaries, the amount of people having died in the genocide is nowadays assumed to be around 900,000.
@Kris: it is good for Turkey and Georgia to get a rail link. There is much travel between the two countries and nothing much but slow and tedious busses between the two.
Yes, Turkey should face up to the historical responsibility of the genocide.
However, concerning the concrete issue of opening up the land border between Armenia and Turkey, there are several interwoven factors that have prevented this, one of them being the continuing occupation of Nagorny Karabach by Armenia. A few years back, when Davutoglu was still following his "0 problems" policy with Turkey'S neighbors, a deal of new diplomatic relations between Armenia and Turkey was in the air, even had minister's signatures under it. The deal would have left both the genocide and the Nagorny Karabach issues unresolved. Parliament in Yerevan and the Azerbaydzhan government both worked fervently to stop this deal, and they succeeded. Ever since we have had again a standstill, everyone can blame the other side, and unfortunately, this seems to be what politicians from all sides seem to like best. Therefore, we should spread the blame for the current political situation more evenly.
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Please Whama, have a look at what you reproduce before posting such obvious propaganda. Also since journalists of papers like sabah are not accustomed to use their brains, as they always just write what the ministers tell them, they do not even bother to check what they publish:

Quoting Daily Sabah:
"Between 2003 and 2013 about TL 32.5 billion [$14.3 billion] was INVESTED in the railway sector. Our target for 2023 is to renew and modernize 25,000 kilometers of railways, out of which 12,000 kilometers will be ultra-speed and high-speed railways. Ten percent of this current system will serve passenger trains, 15 percent will serve FREIGHT trains and all trains will be constructed by Turkish companies," Elvan said."

And the remaining 75 % will be used for the private trains of the government ministers or what???
And just look at a map to see if anybody will ever go from London to Beijing in wild zigzag lines via Istanbul, Azerbaijan, then take a ferry across the Caspian Sea, etc. etc. or whether they will not just stick with the long-established route via Moscow. And there is of course such things as flying for passengers and ships for freight at these distances.
what wild zigzag?

you have problems comprehending? it clearly says the whole point is to cut down the time of shipping from China to Europe

you been sitting at home for the past half year?
with EU and Russia sanctioning each other
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Dear Hater, we should send you back to primary school so you learn how to read a map. And if you think you know it all, then you could spend some time reading contributions here, so you would stop writing nonsense.
1) The direct way between Beijing and London is via Moscow. That is a geographical fact, period.
2) If one looks for alternatives for political reasons, one will not go via Istanbul to Baku, because, guess what, the only country north of Azerbaijan is...Russia! One could of course load all goods from a train onto a ferry, ship it across the sea to Kazakhstan, but that ruins the whole idea of fast and easy transport, will not appeal to anyone.
3) The only viable alternative is, and that is what Chinese authorities have stressed in recent years, via Iran and Turkmenistan. So forget about Azerbaijan in your wet Silk Road dreams.
4) The Baku-Tiflis-Kars line is a regional line at best, to connect Georgia to Turkey and Turkey to Azerbaijan, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it will never be anything else, so do not get your hopes up.
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All this talk about new Silk Roads is a bit of a nonsense anyway. Time has moved on and we have perfectly safe shipping lines providing the cheapest way to ship things from Europe to East Asia and vice versa. Railway is useful for certain categories of goods which need to arrive faster, but are not valuable enough or too heavy to be flown.

As far as freight is concerned this route will be most valuable for Azerbaijan as they have no direct sea access. Maybe they could export part of their oil this way avoiding Russia? Passenger transport between the three countries will be a nice add on of course.
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Dear Hater, we should send you back to primary school so you learn how to read a map. And if you think you know it all, then you could spend some time reading contributions here, so you would stop writing nonsense.
1) The direct way between Beijing and London is via Moscow. That is a geographical fact, period.
2) If one looks for alternatives for political reasons, one will not go via Istanbul to Baku, because, guess what, the only country north of Azerbaijan is...Russia! One could of course load all goods from a train onto a ferry, ship it across the sea to Kazakhstan, but that ruins the whole idea of fast and easy transport, will not appeal to anyone.
3) The only viable alternative is, and that is what Chinese authorities have stressed in recent years, via Iran and Turkmenistan. So forget about Azerbaijan in your wet Silk Road dreams.
4) The Baku-Tiflis-Kars line is a regional line at best, to connect Georgia to Turkey and Turkey to Azerbaijan, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it will never be anything else, so do not get your hopes up.
LOL , wet dreams?
you do realize Azerbaijan held talks with China to actually transport some of the cargo destined to Europe go through Kazakhstan , trains load into ferry and get off at the new Baku Port and then travel to Europe

you think our government just decided to build a railway with hopes one day China might decide to send some of its cargo through this route?

no , just like the video suggests they held talks for a long time before the construction began

I believe you should go back to primary school , your lack of common sense and comprehending issues result in the stupidity you displayed above.

Have a nice day.
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