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Old October 18th, 2014, 10:05 PM   #621
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2) If one looks for alternatives for political reasons, one will not go via Istanbul to Baku, because, guess what, the only country north of Azerbaijan is...Russia! One could of course load all goods from a train onto a ferry, ship it across the sea to Kazakhstan, but that ruins the whole idea of fast and easy transport, will not appeal to anyone.
There are railway ferries, that do not require loading goods.
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Old October 19th, 2014, 01:08 PM   #622
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One aim of this project is too boost trade between Turkey and the Central Asian States of Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan and Kasachstan. These are landlocked countries.Many turkish companies built factories there or
are active in construction and mechanical engineering. One of my relative ( which is mechanical engineer and have a company ) is very active there.

Baku is building a big container terminal to handle the capacity between Turkmenbasi ( the port of Turkmenistan on the other side of the caspian sea ). If you already reach Turkmenistan and Kazachstan ( neighbour of China ), trade will also shift to Urumchi and Shanghai on this route. But this project aims in first stage the trade between Turkey and Central Asian States of Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan,Kazachstan.

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Old October 19th, 2014, 01:19 PM   #623
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The new Baku Port is built to reach the capacity of demand between Turkey,Caucasus and Central Asia.

The goods will be shipped to ferries when the trains of the Baku-Tiblisi-Kars stop at Baku Container Terminal.

Baku International Sea Port



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Old October 19th, 2014, 01:27 PM   #624
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There are railway ferries, that do not require loading goods.
yep, the trains will enter the ferries without unloading. This is very fast.
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Old October 19th, 2014, 02:40 PM   #625
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Although remember that there is some time penalty to pay at some point when the cargo is transferred between the broad gauge system and standard gauge system.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 10:20 AM   #626
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Although remember that there is some time penalty to pay at some point when the cargo is transferred between the broad gauge system and standard gauge system.
That's right but this penalty exists whatever route you choose, and this is
not going to change anytime soon.

I too think that globally, this new route - which is by no way the shortest one -
will never play a significant role in the Europe-China relationship, not only because
of the crossing of the caspian sea, but also because there are far too many border
crossings involved. Each border crossing is a potential delay and an administrative
hassle. And some countries involved in this particular journey are not specially known
for their friendliness on this aspect.

And if one day the border crossings become easy, I think a more direct route
like Ukraine-Southern Russia-Kazakhstan-China will stand much more chances.

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Old October 20th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #627
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Also, it seems China want to hedge it's risks concerning links to outer world. To this day land routes from China was monopoly controlled by Russia, while sea routes are limited by several narrow straits, that can be blocked or sabotaged easily.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 11:31 AM   #628
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Turkey seeks to launch Baku-Tbilisi-Kars route by late 2015
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Turkey seeks to launch Baku-Tbilisi-Kars route by late 2015
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Turkish Transport, Maritime and Communication Minister Lutfi Elvan said Turkey wants to launch Baku-Tbilisi-Kars rail route by late 2015, Anadolu reported.
The route will link Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey. Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway is being constructed on the basis of the Georgian-Azerbaijani-Turkish intergovernmental agreement.

The State Oil Fund of the Republic of Azerbaijan (SOFAZ) finances the project in accordance with the Azerbaijani president’s decree 'On the implementation of the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars project activities' dated February 21, 2007.
A new 105-kilometer branch of the railroad is being constructed as part of the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars project. In addition, the railway's Akhalkalaki-Marabda-Tbilisi section is under reconstruction in Georgia that will increase its capacity to 15 million metric tons of cargo per year. A post is under construction in Akhalkalaki for the transition of trains from the existing tracks in Georgia to the European ones.
The peak capacity of the corridor will be 17 million metric tons of cargo per year. At the initial stage, this figure will be equal to one million passengers and 6.5 million metric tons of cargo.
http://www.azernews.az/business/75051.html
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Old December 29th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #629
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Turkey seeks to launch Baku-Tbilisi-Kars route by late 2015
Excellent ! I hope there will be a passenger service. Anyone knows where
the change of gauge facility will be installed ?
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Old December 29th, 2014, 02:47 PM   #630
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It will also include passenger service ( plus cargo )
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Old December 29th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #631
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Excellent ! I hope there will be a passenger service. Anyone knows where
the change of gauge facility will be installed ?
Change of gauge? do they have the large Russian gauge in that line?
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Old December 29th, 2014, 06:24 PM   #632
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If you had read the article above more carefully and waded through the slightly bad English, you would have understood that change of gauge is in Alkhakali.
Azerbaidshan has ordered new partly deluxe sleepers for the journey from Baku to Turkey. Some renders appeared a while ago on the net, but I forgot where. anyone remember?

By the way, this would have fitted better in the category of intl rail lines rather than Turkey.
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Azerbaidshan has ordered new partly deluxe sleepers for the journey from Baku to Turkey. Some renders appeared a while ago on the net, but I forgot where. anyone remember?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...ght=azerbaijan

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Old January 2nd, 2015, 09:22 PM   #634
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The Kars-Tblisi-Baku line is double track and electrified, isn't it???
If not, please tell me more about how the line is.
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It is double and electrified.

There are some photos here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1392348
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 11:14 PM   #636
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Double and electrified ? I doubt that a lot... At least in Turkey, the line from Ankara to
Kars is single track and diesel. Most of the traffic will originate from there, so I don't see
the point of building so much capacity while the natural entry/exit of the new line is much
more restricted. Furthermore, I did not hear about any ordering of new electric stock.
Georgia does not have any stock for operating a standard gauge line, so, South of the gauge
change point, the rolling stock will have to come from Turkey, and there are no
spare electric locos available there that I know of. I hope they have built the new
infrastructure to allow easy laying of a second track if it becomes necessary later, though.

Now the real question about this line is, will it see any sizeable traffic ? I mean, as it has
been built essentially for political reasons, I suspect that the expected traffic figures have
been grossly over-estimated...
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there will be HSR 250 km/h between Sivas - Ankara,
also at least 200 km/h HSR between Sivas - Kars. (It might be 250 km/h)

As far as I know only Azerbaycan ordered changeable gauge sets.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 10:02 AM   #638
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Most trains will originate either from Turkey or Azerbaijan.
Georgia contracted a symbolic 1% interest rate credit from Azerbaijan, for their part of the rail as far as I can remember.

As for the Turkish side, the priorities now in railway infrastructure are doubling the railways where they are still one-way, and electrifying them too. The High Speed will run in paralel, as future projects.
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It is double and electrified.

There are some photos here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1392348
Thank you!
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Old January 27th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #640
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From Global Rail News:

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Talgo partners with Turkish manufacturer on HSR production
27 JAN, 2015



Talgo has signed a letter of intent with Turkish manufacturer Tümosan to cooperate on high-speed rail projects in the country.

Turkey is looking increase the involvement of domestic companies in the development of its high-speed rail network, as it aims to build around 10,000 kilometres of new railway between now and 2023

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