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Old February 5th, 2016, 03:45 PM   #661
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can you show the source? I think all you are telling is a whishfull thinking, because the system I use often is not anything like that.
The system we use at the moment is not the finished article, it is only an isolated central part of the complete system. So it is not reasonable to judge the future capabilities by saying what it currently does.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 05:28 PM   #662
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can you show the source? I think all you are telling is a whishfull thinking, because the system I use often is not anything like that.
Oh for crying out loud, this is what Marmaray official website say about itself:
"Tren" ve "demiryolu"ndan bahsediyor, metro kelimesi kulanilmiyor.

http://www.marmaray.gov.tr/icerik/ha...yor-musunuz/63

Marmaray’da kullanılacak olan toplam 440 demiryolu aracının 300 adedinin ülkemizde üretildiğini,

Marmaray’da banliyö hatları iyileştirme çalışmaları tamamlandığında 2 dakika aralıklarla tren çalıştırma kapasitesine ulaşılacağını
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Old February 7th, 2016, 01:01 PM   #663
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What I was trying to say is that Istanbul might remain trainless for almost a decade (or even longer!), not to mention Haydarpaşa station waiting hopelessly with its burnt-out roof for its fate! It is sad to see that I was right!
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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:26 PM   #664
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TCDD is working on two new freight terminals in Turkey’s one of the most important industrial region Gebze
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Old August 11th, 2016, 12:51 PM   #665
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Siemens signalling for Samsun line
10 Aug 2016



TURKEY: Siemens announced on August 10 that it had won a contract to supply ETCS Level 1 signalling systems for the modernisation of the 380 km line from the Black Sea port of Samsun to the junction at Kalin near Sivas in central Anatolia.

Siemens is to supply its Trackguard Westrace electronic interlockings, points machines, level crossings and telecoms, and is to equip the operations control centre in Samsun

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Old August 12th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #666
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So it I try to summarize the situation of passenger rail travel within Turkey today :

- International train from Istanbul to Bulgaria replaced by a bus between Istanbul and the border
- Status of domestic trains to Edirne unknown
- Sirkeci station closed - future status unknown
- Futur terminus on the European side not known yet

- Haydarpasa station closed for rebuilding but will reopen
- Current traffic to Asia starts from Pendik, in the outskirts of Istanbul
- Ankara station closed for rebuilding, trains terminate in east and west outskirts of the city
- Trans-Asia express suspended because of unstability in Kurdistan
- All traffic suspended in the south, between Adana, Fevsipasa, Gaziantep, Malatya...

in other words, it would almost be shorter to list what is still running... What are the long-term perspectives ?
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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:03 PM   #667
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Sorry, you have a few errors there. Admittedly, TCDD have few scruples about closing lines to passenger trains while changing a few screws at a snail's pace and only rarely is the end result truly a revolution in rail travel. About your list:

- International train from Istanbul to Bulgaria replaced by a bus between Istanbul and the border
# Yes, negotiations about trains resuming are ongoing
- Status of domestic trains to Edirne unknown
# No, there is since about two weeks one daily train Halkali (Istanbul) - Kapikule and vice versa, unfortunately not connecting to the international train
- Sirkeci station closed - future status unknown
# TCDD has just launched a tender for redoing the electric wire between Kazlicesme and Sirkeci, so the good news is the station will remain in use, although probably only with a marginal function.
- Futur terminus on the European side not known yet
# Probably Halkali, maybe incoming European trains can go to Sirkeci

- Haydarpasa station closed for rebuilding but will reopen
# probably in 2018
- Current traffic to Asia starts from Pendik, in the outskirts of Istanbul
# Yep.
- Ankara station closed for rebuilding, trains terminate in east and west outskirts of the city
# Not quite. The high-speed trains from Pendik, Eskisehir, and Konya terminate in the station as before. Eastbound traffic is completely disrupted, starting 70 km east of the station.
- Trans-Asia express suspended because of unstability in Kurdistan
# Yep.
- All traffic suspended in the south, between Adana, Fevsipasa, Gaziantep, Malatya...
Not true. Adana to Gaziantep, there has not been any traffic for over a decade now. However Adana to Elazig (via Fevzipasa and Malatya) are running. There are however no direct trains Adana to Ankara.

- in other words, it would almost be shorter to list what is still running... What are the long-term perspectives ?
# There are actually several more closures.
Izmir - Bandirma closed north of Soma/Savastepe for electrification
Balikesir - Kütahya mostly closed for electrification
Konya - Karaman closed for upgrade to semi-HSR (200 kmh)
Ankara - Zonguldak closed for upgrade south of Karabük
Sivas - Samsun closed for upgrade
G.Antep to Nusaybin closed because of war in Syria.
And several minor branches.

- What are the long-term perspectives ?
# International trains from Europe are expected to return soon, possibly with the schedule change in December or even before. While the negotiations with the CFR are apparently set and the Bosphore to Bucharest will return, SZ, BDZ, and TCDD all claim not to have sufficient couchette coaches for the Belgrade-Sofia-Halkali run.
The Balikesir-Kütahya electrification is apparently close to finished. The night train Eskisehir-Izmir could return to this line, saving an hour traveling time, as soon as electrification on the southern leg of Izmir-Bandirma is completed.
No date for that, but it is believed that this work should not take too much longer.
Konya-Karaman apparently has the substructure finished, electrification and signals are being installed now. There was talk of DMUs providing a rudimentary service despite ongoing works, but apparently that plan has been abandoned. Do not know when the track will allow for Ankara-Konya-Karaman high-speed trains (later to be extended to Adana).
Works around Ankara are to last until end of 2017. By 2018, in an optimistic picture, eastbound Ankara trains could reach Zonguldak via an upgraded electrified, 120 kmh line (which seems like not much, but is a definite improvement for this very curvy, mountainous line), and high speed trains could be extended as far east as Sivas.
By 2019 the Samsum line could also restart services.
Also in 2019 the Ankara - Izmir HSR is supposed to be finished, but I find that rather optimistic.
A tunnel between Adana and G.Antep is being dug at the moment, allowing for a direct, fast connection for the two cities. In the long run, this would be part of mixed-HS, semi-HS, conventional electric line Istanbul-Konya-G.Antep.
So if all the projects actually are finished, train travel in Turkey will be much more attractive, however there have been long delays and setbacks, so nobody should hold their breath.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 05:58 PM   #668
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- International train from Istanbul to Bulgaria replaced by a bus between Istanbul and the border
# Yes, negotiations about trains resuming are ongoing

- Sirkeci station closed - future status unknown
# TCDD has just launched a tender for redoing the electric wire between Kazlicesme and Sirkeci, so the good news is the station will remain in use, although probably only with a marginal function.

- Futur terminus on the European side not known yet
# Probably Halkali, maybe incoming European trains can go to Sirkeci
# International trains from Europe are expected to return soon, possibly with the schedule change in December or even before. While the negotiations with the CFR are apparently set and the Bosphore to Bucharest will return, SZ, BDZ, and TCDD all claim not to have sufficient couchette coaches for the Belgrade-Sofia-Halkali run.
For trains on the European side this is good news. And let's see if the new owner of OSE is willing to run a train that connects Greece and Turkey.

I just wonder, why not changing the Sofia - Istanbul leg in a day train now Plovdiv-Svilengrad has been upgraded to 160 km/h?
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Old August 12th, 2016, 06:12 PM   #669
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Is there any news about the construction of the section from Tekirdag to Muratli?
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Old August 12th, 2016, 06:46 PM   #670
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Is there any news about the construction of the section from Tekirdag to Muratli?
This section is ready. All cargo traffic to Anatolia uses the port of Tekirdag. No passenger service.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 07:19 PM   #671
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This section is ready. All cargo traffic to Anatolia uses the port of Tekirdag. No passenger service.
I had absolutely no idea it was already built .
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Old August 13th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #672
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I had absolutely no idea it was already built .
There was a passenger service launched in July 2011, but it only lasted a few months, due to low patronage.
The line to Tekirdag forms a triangular junction with the main line, about 1 km west of Muratli station.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@41.17...!3m1!1e3?hl=en
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Old August 13th, 2016, 06:24 PM   #673
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Sirkeci station is closed to passenger traffic, but is still connected to the Marmaray network by means of a single line which follows the old trackbed as far as Kazlicesme. This is used for the stabling and storage of Marmaray EMUs, which can be seen in Sirkeci station. The ticket office, museum, and restaurant at Sirkeci station remain open.
Of course there is a separate Sirkeci station on the Marmaray line, situated a long way below the surface station. The main entrance is on the concourse of the old Sirkeci station - which is one reason why the old station remains open.

The tunnel that Baron Hirsch refers to is between the stations of Bahce and Nurdagi. Further info and map here:
https://railturkey.org/2016/01/29/lo...-construction/
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Old August 14th, 2016, 06:48 PM   #674
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As for the future terminal for YHT services from Eskisehir / Ankara and beyond, it seems likely that Haydarpasa station will resume its former role for some services to terminate on the Asian side, and other services will use the new route via the third Bosphorus crossing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavuz_Sultan_Selim_Bridge through to Halkali on the European side.
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At least it totally looks nice, I have nothing to say
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 12:23 PM   #676
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I just wonder, why not changing the Sofia - Istanbul leg in a day train now Plovdiv-Svilengrad has been upgraded to 160 km/h?
I noticed that Jeff has actually drafted a day-time train, without a need of couchettes provided by BDZ/TCDD.

Istanbul Halkali 09:00
Kapikule 13:30-14:30
Dimitrovgrad 16:45-17:05
Plovdiv 18:07-18:23
Sofia 21:26

Sofia 08:30
Plovdiv 11:20-11:40
Dimitrovgrad 13:10-13:20
Kapikule 15:35-16:35
Halkali 21:00

Greetings, Theijs
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I noticed that Jeff has actually drafted a day-time train, without a need of couchettes provided by BDZ/TCDD.

Istanbul Halkali 09:00
Kapikule 13:30-14:30
Dimitrovgrad 16:45-17:05
Plovdiv 18:07-18:23
Sofia 21:26

Sofia 08:30
Plovdiv 11:20-11:40
Dimitrovgrad 13:10-13:20
Kapikule 15:35-16:35
Halkali 21:00

Greetings, Theijs
That is too early, a day-time train from Sofia must depart after connections from Belgrade arrive (8:40 AM). As of now it's mostly Interrail passengers using the service.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 03:43 PM   #678
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That is too early, a day-time train from Sofia must depart after connections from Belgrade arrive (8:40 AM). As of now it's mostly Interrail passengers using the service.
The 08:30 Sofia to Plovdiv is an existing train, onto which the Istanbul carriages could be attached. The service from Belgrade is a notorious late-runner, so to ensure a connection you would need to depart no earlier than 10:30. That would make the arrival time in Istanbul too late.
Maybe the Inter-railers should plan for a day in Sofia.
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The service from Belgrade is a notorious late-runner, so to ensure a connection you would need to depart no earlier than 10:30. That would make the arrival time in Istanbul too late.

Arriving 21:00 or 23:00 in Istanbul doesn't matter to me. Nor for Russian Railways that might finally introduce the planned Moscow - Beograd - Istanbul sleeper.
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Arriving 21:00 or 23:00 in Istanbul doesn't matter to me. Nor for Russian Railways that might finally introduce the planned Moscow - Beograd - Istanbul sleeper.
Don't forget you are only arriving in Halkali at the time shown: to reach central Istanbul (European side) will take a bus ride of another hour, and the buses become much less frequent in the late evening. To reach the Asian side would take even longer.
Also I was trying to plan the trains to provide a reasonably-timed (and reliable) service for local passengers within Turkey (and Bulgaria).
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