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Old January 21st, 2009, 12:45 AM   #41
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CAF, the train and tram maker, based in Zaragoza, has proposed a "Catenaryless Tram" for the service for which works will start this year.

Eventhough the tram type and operator has still not been selected, CAF, has already presented this tram.

Apparently, it charges the energy in each station.

Further information can be found (Sorry, only in Spanish) in the article. You also have a link to a video, where you can see the test trial in the factory. Apparently, Seville will implement these vehicles next year.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 01:46 AM   #42
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That is an interesting concept. In Munich they also want to use an "Akku-Tram" on a new line through the English Garden, a park where the catenaries are not desired. I do not know much about this project but maybe the tram will be provided by CAF, although it should be of smaller width.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 05:29 PM   #43
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There is a website with more information about the Tram in Zaragoza... Unfortunately, it is only in Spanish... (maybe one day, we will get a bit more international... )
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Old January 21st, 2009, 10:31 PM   #44
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It would certainly be very cool if they put the whole city of Zaragoza on rails. Not sure they could take the weight though.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 11:25 PM   #45
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The old tram network in Zaragoza consisted of 17 lines. But, unfortunately, in Jan 1976 line 11, the only survivor, was withdrawn. And with it, the end of the tramways in Zaragoza, that was then, the last city to have them running along the streets.

Route T1 will see, if everything goes on schedule, trams running in the streets again. There is also a T2, and T3 that should follow, in order to have the system as a real network. There have been suggestions too, to create a circular line... but that will probably be done for next centure (ironic mode off).

I really want the works to start soon... as this will mean that FINALLY, the council is really supporting this system, that the city needs.

Many have argued that is a huge mistake... In my opinion, i might be a mistake, but a even bigger mistake would be to withdraw the project and leave the city with a rather limited bus service.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 04:35 PM   #46
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It looks as though the tram is moving here in Zaragoza...

Check the video in this Newspaper report (unfortunately in Spanish) that explains how the tram will tackle the main junctions in the city.
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 01:26 PM   #47
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Line C2 of Commuter Trains and T2 of Tramway on the board, to service EXPO 2014.

Source: Heraldo de Aragón

Otra de las novedades más destacadas es que se incluye una estación de cercanías en Las Fuentes, a la altura de la prolongación de la avenida de Compromiso de Caspe. Se trata de una idea recogida en el Plan Intermodal de Transportes y que tendría cabida en el plan de acompañamiento de la Expo. Sería una instalación vinculada al barrio y que, dependiendo de los fondos disponibles, tendría una estructura que permitiera superar la barrera que ahora supone de la vía del tren.

Los arquitectos del consorcio Expo también recogen la posibilidad de crear un ramal del futuro tranvía que comunicaría el entorno de esta estación de cercanías, a través de Compromiso de Caspe, con la plaza de España, una distancia inferior a dos kilómetros. "No entrañaría demasiadas dificultades", apunta Monclús.
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Old April 19th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #48
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Two companies have presented their bids for the construction of Tram Line 1 in Zaragoza.

The news came on El Periódico de Aragón yesterday, after the closing time for the bidding processed came.

These two companies are actually two UTEs (Unión Temporal de Empresas or Temporary Union of Companies) that gathered several companies of different sectors to suppor the project.

1) Spanish Train manufacturer CAF, joined forces with TUZSA (Local sole public transport operator), FCC (Building Company), Acciona (Building Company), Ibercaja (Local Building society) and Concessia (A group of 13 building societies among which Ibercaja is... strange). They'll all trade under the name TRAZA.

2) Iridium, The French multinational transport company, belonging to ACS (Building Company) and Arascón Vías y Obras (Building company) have supported the French Train Manufacturer Alstom.

It looks as though competition is going to be tough. The Spanish group has a an important drawback. Lack of experience on Trams without Catenary. The project includes the central part of the track being catenaryless. Only recently, CAF presented a prototype to cover this need.

The French manufacturer has a wide experience in this area, as they already have certain trams running with this system.

Now it is up to the technicians to select the best option. Results are to be announced towards the summer.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 12:31 AM   #49
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After some time, I update the information.

TRAZA (CAF + TUZSA + others) won the bid for Zaragoza's Tram. Works are scheduled to start late August... (we will see... too many unacomplished politician promises to believe this one).

Completion of 1st half of the line expected 2011. Second half in 2013...
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Old November 20th, 2009, 12:48 AM   #50
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After some time without updating, I have to inform that 50% of the line (Valdesparter - Gran Vía) is under construcction. Several works have been done to prepare for the rails to be placed... First rails to be installed in December...

It's looking good...
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This is the first section where the rails are being installed...



It is no way near the beginning or the end of the line... They have started here... somewhere in the Middle, Pº Fernando el Católico.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 03:05 AM   #52
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Congratulation

For me, it is out of logic to dont have any tramline to the new main railway station. One of the importante task is to have public transport for any point with no more then one transfer. Main railway staton need to be also junction of public transport.

In Beograd, there is (half finished) railway junction, with the new railway station u/c. The task of new passing railway station is to replace existing one central. Old station is 5 min walking distance from main square, connected with tram and bus lines with all city without tranfer for the most of passengers. In Beograd sleng there is "loop of 2" for downtown, which mean "part of the city inside tram loop line 2". Position of the new railway station is 1,5 km from the "loop of 2", 30 min walking distance from downtown, connected with only 5 bus lines and 2 trolleybus lines, and only with some parts of the city. There are proposed metro line for 1951, proposed 2 metro lines for 1972, proposed tramway for 1982, proposed one LRT line for 2001. when all MRT plans was canceled. Begining off building LRT was proposed for 2006. year, but building of enything never begin. Today, 64 years after WWII only built new was short extensions of old 4 tramway brunches, 2 new tramway brunches, and finished tunnels for the new Beograd Railway Junction, all of that made 80-ies, and 2 underground stops finished 90-ies.

Today is actual "reconstruction" of tramway, which is now in bad condition. Why I write "reconstruction"? In building term it is maybe reconstruction, but in traffic term it is just repair, because all traffic mistakes are saved, just packed on newer technology built railway. For example:
- putting together buses (on some parts cars) together with trams
- unusing automatic signaling for giving tram adventage where it is possible
- end terminals without techical trucks, or without enough technical trucks
- bad position of the main depot (any big system need main depot on the loop, not on brunch)
- making 10-15cm tall platforms after "reconstructios" (optimal 30cm)
- bad solutions on square junctions
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Why I write this? To make comparation. In Beograd the main word in traffic planing have architects, and make some fatal decisions like replacing railway station for "freedom" of railway for the 80ha in just center of the city, for which are 20ha realy used for railway needs. They put railway station on the most unusable place in circle 2,5 km from main square on dry ground.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 07:05 PM   #53
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Actually Zaragoza's main station (Delicias) is far from the city centre, but the new tram line under construction will link several parts of the city to a new underground station being built right in the heart of the city.
This new station (Goya) will be part of the recently opened Zaragoza suburban network, which crosses the city from east to west, linking the eastern suburbs and, when Goya station opens, also the city centre, to the main station (Delicias, in the west of the city) and two towns also located west from Zaragoza.
As you've said, no matter how big the distances between the centre and the main station are if the transportation between them is easy. Fortunately, in Zaragoza that won't be a problem once the tram and the new underground station are finished.
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In the street Calle de Don Jaime, there are busses 35, 36 and 39 in the center of the center. (that is on the map) Are there possibility to build tramway in this street?
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In the street Calle de Don Jaime, there are busses 35, 36 and 39 in the center of the center. (that is on the map) Are there possibility to build tramway in this street?
I very much doubt it... In the old times, Line 4 did actually run along Don Jaime Street. The "Stone Bridge", now slightly protected from... everything... has not been planned to house the new tram line expected to run along Avda. Cataluña to Sta. Isabel. It will probably be taken via Coso (Bajo) and Puente de Hierro (Iron Bridge).

By the way, 36 no longer runs down Don Jaime St.

The Railway station, due to the High Speed Train, really doesn't create that much need for a high capacity transport to the centre. Passengers tend to reach there by car (first class train users have free carpark for one day per trip) or taxi. However, the bus station, which is located "under" the Railway Station does create a need, but still, not high capacity. The 3 bus routes that reach the railway station (34, 51 and Ci1/Ci2) are never full at this point, which makes it obvious that there is not that much of a need there.

Eventhough it is not planned, in future, it would make sense to reconvert the newly inaugurated circle lines (Ci1 and Ci2) into trams.
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UPDATE ON THE WORKS

The tracks are being laid down.

Valdespartera housing state has some meters of the track already set in place:



The Tram depot, at the entrance of Valdespartera housing state, already with the "skeleton" of the offices, as well as the parking and servicing area.


The first two catenary posts in Vía Ibérica, together with some tracks.


We are expecting soon the presentation of the tram cars, with the livery as it will be... The mock up tram will be shown in Zaragoza's Plaza España.
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New Logo for Zaragoza Trams

This past week, they presented the logo that will be used by the new Tranvía de Zaragoza Company.



The Z of Zaragoza is in white over a red blotch, similar to other Municipal logos.
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This is a mock up model of what the tram would look like.

Livery will be Grey with Red stripes along the carriages. In this picture, you can only see the front.. with the new Logo for the Tram Company.

(Sorry... I don't know why, by the picture is sideways... )

Interior look: Spatious... I am not that convince about the wooden seats.
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I can see that this is the same model propsed for Belgrade?
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