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Old May 8th, 2012, 02:59 PM   #2041
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Althought the Italian prices I never filled my car (Euro 95) paying more than 1,8 €/l!
It depends on the Region you're in. Now I'm in Marche, where fuel is most expensive due to regional taxes, and I find diesel sold at 1.65 €/l, while some weeks ago it was very difficult to find it at that price (only some unbranded stations).
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Old May 8th, 2012, 04:49 PM   #2042
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And I remember prices there got up to... €2.00/l!!! That is crazy expensive!

But here they only peaked at €1.50/l. Yesterday in Huesca:
Diesel: €1.346/l
95 petrol: €1.395/l
LPG: I will post its price when it changes again.

So prices are going down on all kinds of gas.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #2043
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Today prices in Italy went down by 2 cents!

WOOHOO! Great news!

Petrol companies said that there are the conditions to "cut the price by 8 cents". 2 are already gone, now we're waiting the other 6!

But the real trouble remains the SuperMario's robbery that occurred last December adding an 8,2 €cents excise.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #2044
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Highest fuelprice in Sweden so far:

95 petrol: €1.80/liter or 8.90$/gallon

But this was in March, have gone down a bit since then, thank God!
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Old May 9th, 2012, 03:30 PM   #2045
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Italian government is thinking about pushing out excises from the tax base.

Now I want to know if this is only for the new excises or it's for all excises.

Excises in Italy are 0,3938 €/litre. Adding VAT they raise up to 0,4765 €/litre.

If parliament will approve this law then prices will be cut by 0,0827 €!
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Old May 9th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #2046
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Weird, your excise is € 0,39 but your total price is similar or higher than the Netherlands. The Dutch excise on gasoline is € 0,73 per liter (that's more than what Americans pay overall). 19% VAT (2013: 21%) will levied on top of that.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #2047
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Weird, your excise is € 0,39 but your total price is similar or higher than the Netherlands. The Dutch excise on gasoline is € 0,73 per liter (that's more than what Americans pay overall). 19% VAT (2013: 21%) will levied on top of that.
Its much easier to get the oil into the Netherlands than to Italy, we already discussed that, and also the monopoly situation there.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #2048
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Weird, your excise is € 0,39 but your total price is similar or higher than the Netherlands. The Dutch excise on gasoline is € 0,73 per liter (that's more than what Americans pay overall). 19% VAT (2013: 21%) will levied on top of that.
We also have a tax called "tax on fuel production" which is 0,70€/l for gasoline and 0,59€/l for diese.
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Is the total tax (withoug VAT) 1,09 then? My theory would fail then...
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #2050
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Is the total tax (withoug VAT) 1,09 then? My theory would fail then...
Yes. Add VAT (0.25€/l) and you have the formula for a legalized robbery.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 02:21 AM   #2051
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Its much easier to get the oil into the Netherlands than to Italy, we already discussed that, and also the monopoly situation there.
This is the excuse (not excise) oil companies and politicians told us about the unjustified high prices.

What the heck? On some roads there are 4/5 filling stations in one kilometer! There is no difficulty about purchasing fuel but the price!

And mind the fact that there isn't any monopoly here.

Italian oil and gas companies that have filling stations are:

• ENI (former AGIP)
• API (previouly operating also with its own brand and now operating as IP)
• ERG (merged with French Total)

Then we have some foreign companies:

• Esso
• Shell
• Q8
• OMV (only in Südtirol and in Friuli)

Once upon a time there was also BP!
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:50 AM   #2052
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This is the excuse (not excise) oil companies and politicians told us about the unjustified high prices.

What the heck? On some roads there are 4/5 filling stations in one kilometer! There is no difficulty about purchasing fuel but the price!
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Do they pump the petrol out of the land with oil wells just behind the filling stations and have refineries there too?
If not so, then you should realize that cost for getting petrol to these stations isn't really related to their numbers and positions, but to the distance from the refinery and the country of origin of the petrol.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:34 AM   #2053
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Do they pump the petrol out of the land with oil wells just behind the filling stations and have refineries there too?
If not so, then you should realize that cost for getting petrol to these stations isn't really related to their numbers and positions, but to the distance from the refinery and the country of origin of the petrol.
For sure. Talking about refineries, ENI, the main Italian oil company, has just closed two refineries: Gela (Sicily) and Porto Marghera (Veneto).

I don't know why (and so I ask to Spinoza if he knows the motive about that).

By the way, here you are the list of Italian oil refineries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...fineries#Italy

As you can see, in the north (120.248 sqkm) there are 6 oil refineries still running. So one refiney every 20,041 sqkm!

In Spain there are 9 refineries throughout the kingdom ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...fineries#Spain ). Its extension is 504.030 sqkm so there is a refinery every 56.003 sqkm, but fuel is really cheap!

The reality is that if you have 0,3938 €/litre in excises (that with a 21% VAT raise up to 0,4765 €) and a 0,70 €/litre tax, you can easily see that for every litre of Euro 95 that you purchase in Italy, 1,1765 € are burnt only for taxes!

Then you must add the value of the crude oil (sometimes more than 100$ per barrel), you must mind the fact that €uro is weakened in comparison to the US$, you must add refinery costs, transportation costs and, obviously, workers wages!

The real matter in Italy is the extremely high fiscal pressure!
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Prices are still going down here...

Diesel: €1.316/l
95 petrol: €1.375/l

And this is on a major company: Repsol. We have one of the cheapest gas in mainland Spain.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #2055
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Prices are still going down here...

Diesel: €1.316/l
95 petrol: €1.375/l

And this is on a major company: Repsol. We have one of the cheapest gas in mainland Spain.
And how about LPG?
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Old May 11th, 2012, 01:31 PM   #2056
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Prices have radically gone down.

Euro 95 : 1.67 from 1.80 which was about a month ago.

Diesel : 1.48
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Old May 12th, 2012, 10:05 PM   #2057
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Interesting, I haven't noticed if prices here are down much as I haven't filled up for a few weeks. I'll take a look tomorrow.
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Price in Slovenia:

Euro 95: 1,435 €/l
Disel : 1,32 €/l
LPG : 0,798 €/l

source :http://www.petrol.si/
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #2059
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I was just reading that in my former city of San Diego CA gas has jumped up .13 cents a gallon in the last week. The average price there is $4.35 USD a gallon.

Here in Cedar Rapids IA gas is $3.41 a gallon for super unleaded which is a 15% Ethanol blend. What a difference.
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Interesting, I haven't noticed if prices here are down much as I haven't filled up for a few weeks. I'll take a look tomorrow.
I checked, it is down by a couple of pence but not massively, currently Euro 95 is £1.347 (EUR 1.68) per litre, $8.19 per US gallon.
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