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Old October 28th, 2008, 03:58 PM   #201
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That's the biggest problem. Refueling costs about 2-3 minutes now, with a normal car. For electric cars it is almost impossible to get recharged that quickly.
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Old October 28th, 2008, 08:05 PM   #202
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@Kiwi - i am caricaturing a bit, but generally - i claim that oil companies are the bigest bastards in the world of economy. they are too powerfull to let some alternative resources to become a competition. it is silly that Prius represents the top of commercial electric cars. it is not electric at all because electric engine is just a helping and secondary thing beside petrol one. Prius maybe is a revolution for USA, but in Europe it is considered as highly overpriced car, even not with some spectacular low consumtion. actually, not low at all. it consumpts as any car from C-class (so higher class than Prius) with average diesel engine. and is Prius really the top that man can do about electric cars? of course not. but some companies wouldn't like electric cars as long as an litre of oil is present at the Earth.
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Old October 28th, 2008, 08:17 PM   #203
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Yeah, Prius is just 1L for 20 kms. Not really outstanding. Modern diesel cars can do better.
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Old October 28th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #204
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Modern diesel cars can do better.
Less than 5l/100km? At what speeds? My Peugeot 307 SW 2.0 HDi has 7 -8 l in the city, 6,5 - 7 outside (110 - 120 km/h, non motorway, so with starts and stops), up to 10 l in winter

And do not tell me that VW diesels can do that.
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A Prius is only very good in low-speed traffic, like inside cities. If you drive freeways all the time, you'd better buy a diesel car.
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My 1.5 DCi engine gets 5L/100 km with ease. The lowest I got so far was 5.5 L / 100km, and I drive a lot of city traffic.
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Only at low speeds the Prius can do the 1L/23 kms that was promised. On the highways it's often 4.9/100 during summer and 5.3/100 during winters (winter-tires). The lowest we ever achieved on a big distance is 4.5/100, when we drove 300 kms on 2-laned roads in Poland, so here you already see how much the fuel consumption decreases when you drive 20 km/h slower.
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My 1.5 DCi engine gets 5L/100 km with ease. The lowest I got so far was 5.5 L / 100km, and I drive a lot of city traffic.
Hang on, the lowest you got was 5.5/100, but 5/100 is easy. That's less you know. I think you made a mistake
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@Kiwi - i am caricaturing a bit, but generally - i claim that oil companies are the bigest bastards in the world of economy.
Those would be bankers, but you were close.
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I'd nominate the current president of the USA
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It shuld be the other way round I suppose

And your car is what? Renault Clio?
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It shuld be the other way round I suppose

And your car is what? Renault Clio?
his parents own Prius

btw, PLH, my Punto is able to consumpt 4,6 litres motorway/open road combination. i am calculating my cinsumption since April (not board computer, but filling tank to max) and consumption is in range 4,62 - 6,41 (mostly about 5,7). oh yes, it is not diesel
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Hang on, the lowest you got was 5.5/100, but 5/100 is easy. That's less you know. I think you made a mistake
Nah, I meant lowest number of kilometers per liter. My vehicles fuel consumption is very stable despite conditions, traffic jam, 130km/h, urban areas, it all comes down between 1 liter to 18 to 1 liter to 21 kilometers.
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I know that, but asked ChrisZwolle about his car.

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Is it common for cars in NL to have a consumption od 1 liter to x km, and not x liters/100km?
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Both. The screen in the car indicating how much you use is often x liters/100km.
I don't have a car. My parents have a Prius.
-edit- x-type already said it. Next time please make clear you mean Chris, PLH
-edit2- Chris drives Kangoo.
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Is it common for cars in NL to have a consumption od 1 liter to x km, and not x liters/100km?
I have a Renault Kangoo commercial van.

In NL, we say 1 liter to x kilometers. Makes more sense in my opinion, because you can easier calculate how much kilometers you can drive on a tank of gas.
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My 1.5 DCi engine gets 5L/100 km with ease. The lowest I got so far was 5.5 L / 100km, and I drive a lot of city traffic.
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Nah, I meant lowest number of kilometers per liter. My vehicles fuel consumption is very stable despite conditions, traffic jam, 130km/h, urban areas, it all comes down between 1 liter to 18 to 1 liter to 21 kilometers.
You said # of L/100 km. Or if your car can make just 5.5 km with 1 L of fuel, that's 18 L/100 km, way too much. Sth's incorrect here.
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Everythings's below 1 € here now. 95 is 0,9 € per litre, for example.
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That's the biggest problem. Refueling costs about 2-3 minutes now, with a normal car. For electric cars it is almost impossible to get recharged that quickly.
Yeh i was thinking about that. The only way around it would be standard batteries that can be swapped (highly unlikely). Or batteries that charge seriously quickly, which is very difficult. If they could get the range up to ridiculous levels like 1000km then we'd be ok.

Short charges fill up most of the battery very quickly, so short stops may be practical.
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