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Old September 5th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #2221
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I've been in Italy a week ago, and I almost got an heartattack when I saw the fuelprices. Diesel €1,85/l, Euro 95 €1,95/l and Euro 98 €2,05(!) (in Gargano, Garda). Can someone tell me why the prices are that high? Lower taxes?
Many issues here.
1- Very high taxation in Italy, and Regions can add their own taxation. Lombardy is not the most expensive, but isn't the cheapest either.
2- Nobody in the government cares, nobody watches prices, it is a far west.
2- Gargnano - and Garda in general - is a tourist trap. I live 40 km from there, but I'd never refuel there.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #2222
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Yesterday at F1 Hranice (CZ) I paid 1,571€/L (38,50CZK/L) for Eurosuper95
At Germany the prices are ~ 1,729€/L
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Old September 5th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #2223
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Europeans do drive less miles per year than Americans, also because teens are not allowed to drive in most countries and most students cannot afford a car until they get a job.

However, traveling by car is expensive, but not a luxury. Apart from the countries with high unemployment such as Spain or Greece, or in countries with very high fuel prices compared to average income, such as Italy, the annual vehicle miles traveled are pretty much near record highs. It certainly is in the Netherlands.
I doubt that most people would reduce the miles travelled because of the increase of fuel price, unless they are in very bad financial conditions.
People need to move for work, shopping, studying, sport, free time, etc... Rarely someone drives for noting even with Venezuelan fuel prices. We rather deserve a bigger share of our budget to fuel and we'll have less money in our bank account than before.

Anyway, is common for USA teens to buy a new cars as soon they turn 16?
In Italy most young students borrow their parents' car every time they need it or, if they're lucky, own an old car usually dismissed by a grandparent or another elderly relative.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 10:47 PM   #2224
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The fuel station I use is one of the cheapest in the area, and it costs 136.7p (EUR1.695) per litre of unleaded and 140.7p (EUR1.745) per litre of diesel. People complain about the cost of fuel, but it is the cost of car insurance that has priced some people off the road. You have to be rich to be able to afford to drive as a teenager in the UK now.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 10:48 PM   #2225
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I've heard 2000 GBP a year is quite common... You can buy a decent second-hand car for that kind of premiums.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 03:54 AM   #2226
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Americans, stop complaining about fuel price
Here(BG) is $7.02 dollars per US gallon
I'm not complaining.. I just hate it when evertime there's a hicup in the oil supply oil companies use that as an excuse to raise prices.

Oh well.

Today unleaded plus is $3.679 in Cedar Rapids.

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Anyway, is common for USA teens to buy a new cars as soon they turn 16?
nope. they just do like you do in Italy. wealthier kids get good cars.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 06:05 AM   #2227
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My birthday is in early March, but my parents wouldn't let me learn to drive and get my license until the summer, so it wouldn't interfere with school. And I was never given a car; I bought my first one, a year after starting my first full-time job.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #2228
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My birthday is in early March, but my parents wouldn't let me learn to drive and get my license until the summer, so it wouldn't interfere with school. And I was never given a car; I bought my first one, a year after starting my first full-time job.
Nobody gave me a car either. I did get my license when I was 16. I had to beg my dad to allow me to drive his car. I finally bought my first car when I was stationed in the Philippines in late 1975. I purchased a 1969 Chevrolet Impala 2dr hardtop from another sailor.. the cost? $1100 green American money.

And when I had kids I never bought them a car when they became old enough to drive.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 06:47 AM   #2229
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Here in Brazil -06/09/2012-

GAS $2,39/l (Real) or $1,17/l (US Dollar)

ETHANOL $1,20/l (Real) or $0,59/l (US Dollar)

DIESEL $2,00/l (Real) or $0,98 (US Dollar)

http://www.precodoscombustiveis.com.br/
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Old September 6th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #2230
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And I was never given a car; I bought my first one, a year after starting my first full-time job.
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I finally bought my first car when I was stationed in the Philippines in late 1975.
Things are different now. I don't even know someone my age with a full-time job.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:05 AM   #2231
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Ouch!

That's not good....
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #2232
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I've heard 2000 GBP a year is quite common... You can buy a decent second-hand car for that kind of premiums.
Or more in some cases!

http://www.towerswatson.com/united-kingdom/press/6872

Bear in mind that the figures quoted there will be a bit more than the prices people actually pay as they are based on the average of the five cheapest quotes rather than just the cheapest price.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #2233
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Things are different now. I don't even know someone my age with a full-time job.

How old are you?
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #2234
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I'm changing my vehicle from a 1.6l petrol to a 2.5l TD at the end of September, it's heavier too so I'm expecting fuel bills to go up!
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Diesel is more fuel efficient. My previous car was a petrol-powered car and weighed 950 kg and I could get 14 km/l or 7.1 L/100 km out of it. My current car is a diesel-powered car that weighs 1100 kg and I can get 20 km/l or 5 L/100 km out of it.

In most of Europe, diesel is cheaper than petrol / gasoline due to taxation. The UK seems to be the other way 'round.
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How old are you?
33. But I'm Italian.
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You don't know anybody in their early 30s with a full time job???
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Diesel is more fuel efficient. My previous car was a petrol-powered car and weighed 950 kg and I could get 14 km/l or 7.1 L/100 km out of it. My current car is a diesel-powered car that weighs 1100 kg and I can get 20 km/l or 5 L/100 km out of it.

In most of Europe, diesel is cheaper than petrol / gasoline due to taxation. The UK seems to be the other way 'round.
Yeah, diesel and petrol are both taxed at the same rate here so diesel is s few pence more per litre.

Even with the extra efficiency though the move up to 2.5l and the extra weight (over 2000kg I think) will mean more fuel....
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You don't know anybody in their early 30s with a full time job???
Hardly. Then again, that's Italy. Vast majority of them work illegally, "in nero" as we say, and the others work legally but fixed-term. Just my girlfriend (who is older than me) and a couple of ex-schoolmates work full-time.

A good share of them work abroad.
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We call it "cash in hand" work. Common over here.
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