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Old October 9th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #2281
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Old October 9th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #2282
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Title: avoiding crazy Italian prices!

This morning, thanks to a coupon I fueled my car paying 32 € for 21,61 liters (1,481 €/l).

Last refueling was on 2nd September when I fullfilled my tank paying 1,75 €/l during the last summer weekend deal.

Then I fueled my car in August twice paying 1,69 € and 1,72 €.

Going backwards I fueled my car in Switzerland paying 1,475 €/l (1,77 CHF) and I first fueled my car in June paying 1,60 €/l in Italy (first summer weekend deal).

Average price at around 1,619 €/liter! Not bad at all for an Italian driver!
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Old October 9th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #2283
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petrol price 80 rupees/l in India...
($1=52 Rs)
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Old October 9th, 2012, 09:05 PM   #2284
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petrol price 80 rupees/l in India...
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In comparison with local wages (about 15000/20000 Rupees in Kolkata) is a crazy price!

To fullfill my tank (43 liters) it would take 3440 Rupees, that's almost 20% of monthly wage!!!
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It's a horrible situation out here.One LPG gas cylinder costs 880rs,In fact the air fare in our country is amongst the highest in the world,ATF is the highest in the world..
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Old October 10th, 2012, 02:41 AM   #2286
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In comparison with local wages (about 15000/20000 Rupees in Kolkata) is a crazy price!

To fullfill my tank (43 liters) it would take 3440 Rupees, that's almost 20% of monthly wage!!!
Humm.. My wife and I spend about $120 USD a month on fuel...That's less than 3% of our income monthly. We only drive about 500 miles a month.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 07:02 AM   #2287
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Well, all US look really cheap to Europeans. When your guys see something like $7.14/gal like we have here*, they only can say OMG.
Yeah, we know since you and others have mentioned this at least 1000 times in this thread.

But keep in perspective that 10 years ago, gas was regularly below $2/gallon.

I remember going on roadtrips as a kid in the 1990s with my parents managing to pay even below $1/gallon. I'm not an old guy BTW.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 07:24 AM   #2288
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Humm.. My wife and I spend about $120 USD a month on fuel...That's less than 3% of our income monthly. We only drive about 500 miles a month.
It sounds like the better question press to ask is what percentage of our monthly income goes toward fuel? Obviously, some countries can afford to pay more for fuel whereas other countries are unable to.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #2289
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Humm.. My wife and I spend about $120 USD a month on fuel...That's less than 3% of our income monthly. We only drive about 500 miles a month.
I can drive 500 miles for less than $ 80, with diesel prices being $ 7.28 per gallon in the Netherlands. Maybe it's time to switch to a more fuel-efficient vehicle?

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But keep in perspective that 10 years ago, gas was regularly below $2/gallon.

I remember going on roadtrips as a kid in the 1990s with my parents managing to pay even below $1/gallon. I'm not an old guy BTW.
People forget about inflation. You cannot compare 20-year old prices without taking inflation into account. For instance, $ 1 per gallon in 1990 would be $ 1.70 today, 70% higher. $ 2 per gallon in 2000 would be $ 2.60 today. Although prices obviously increased, it's not correct to compare old prices without taking inflation into account.

Anyway, what surprises me is the lack of media attention of the higher fuel prices recently. Some blame the media, with them covering the subject intensively during Bush's presidency, but not so much during Obamas presidency, however there is a similar tendency in Europe, you don't read about it as much nowadays.

It's funny, in the late 1990s people said that with fuel prices exceeding 2.5 guilders per liter, people would surely dump their cars and travel by bicycle or train. Nowadays fuel is at € 1.90 or over 4.15 guilders, and we're still driving more and more. Even with a 12 - 13-year inflation, it's a huge difference.

It's interesting to see what people say they will do, and what they actually do. Maybe they scrap a few short trips to the supermarket by car to make themselves feel good and think they cut back on driving.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #2290
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I run my land rover on waste oil...

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Old October 10th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #2291
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Current fuel prices per liter in Mexico (as of 10.10.2012)

Magna 87 oct: 10.54 MXN / 0.813 USD / 0.625 EUR (3.08 USD per gallon)
Premium 91 oct: 11.10 MXN / 0.857 USD / 0.658 EUR (3.24 USD per gallon)
Diesel: 10.90 MXN / 0.841 USD / 0.646 EUR (3.18 USD per gallon)

Some friends on the other side of the border told me the gallon prices have reached 5.00 USD, that's almost 1.00 EUR per liter!
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Old October 10th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #2292
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Title: avoiding crazy Italian prices!

This morning, thanks to a coupon I fueled my car paying 32 € for 21,61 liters (1,481 €/l).

Last refueling was on 2nd September when I fullfilled my tank paying 1,75 €/l during the last summer weekend deal.

Then I fueled my car in August twice paying 1,69 € and 1,72 €.

Going backwards I fueled my car in Switzerland paying 1,475 €/l (1,77 CHF) and I first fueled my car in June paying 1,60 €/l in Italy (first summer weekend deal).

Average price at around 1,619 €/liter! Not bad at all for an Italian driver!
I like the average, is something like €φ/l (Golden ratio euros/l) .
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Old October 11th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #2293
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Current fuel prices per liter in Mexico (as of 10.10.2012)

Magna 87 oct: 10.54 MXN / 0.813 USD / 0.625 EUR (3.08 USD per gallon)
Premium 91 oct: 11.10 MXN / 0.857 USD / 0.658 EUR (3.24 USD per gallon)
Diesel: 10.90 MXN / 0.841 USD / 0.646 EUR (3.18 USD per gallon)

Some friends on the other side of the border told me the gallon prices have reached 5.00 USD, that's almost 1.00 EUR per liter!
I was in the San Diego area this past Labor Day weekend in September. I noticed the immediate effect of almost sub-$5.00 USD per gallon of regular fuel. Luckily I had a compact car as a rental during my stay which helped mitigate the sticker shock as far as fuel prices in the San Diego area are concerned.

Now if I were living in the San Diego area in the vicinity of the Mexican border I would head on over across the border and to the nearest Pemex station for gas. Then again there's the mega-delay at the border coming back into the USA unless you use one of the less congested crossings.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 01:46 AM   #2294
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Here in St. Petersburg I noticed $3.65 per gallon of regular unleaded at Racetrac on Gandy Blvd. (US 92), up 10 cents from $3.55 as seen at another Racetrac on 54 Av N at Interstate 275 (Exit 26) yesterday (10/9/12).

Speaking of gas prices, I noticed that the gas prices are slightly higher across the Howard Frankland and Gandy Bridges in Tampa than in St. Petersburg - a 10 cent difference. I am not sure if it's taxes imposed by the county governments, as Tampa is Hillsborough County and St. Petersburg is Pinellas County.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 05:18 AM   #2295
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I can drive 500 miles for less than $ 80, with diesel prices being $ 7.28 per gallon in the Netherlands. Maybe it's time to switch to a more fuel-efficient vehicle?
Good for you!

I have a '03 Camry.with 78,000 miles on it.. It get about 29MPG. good enough for me. I'd never consider a diesel auto.Why? Diesel fuel stinks and the cost of repair of a diesel engine in the US is astronomical. the wife and I are buzzing over to Cincinnati in a couple of weeks..a distance of 500 miles(804KM).. I'll check my highway mileage then.

Generally speaking Trucks use diesel in the US..not cars.

Come to think of it other than pick-up trucks I cannot think of any diesel model auto for sale in the USA...let me check..

Humm..VW, BMW , Mazda, Audi, Mercedes Benz all have diesel models sold in the US,. Did not know that. Never seen anything but a VW diesel in Iowa and that was some years ago.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 05:26 AM   #2296
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People forget about inflation. You cannot compare 20-year old prices without taking inflation into account.
Why not? Isn't inflation rising prices anyway?
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Old October 11th, 2012, 07:50 AM   #2297
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People forget about inflation. You cannot compare 20-year old prices without taking inflation into account. For instance, $ 1 per gallon in 1990 would be $ 1.70 today, 70% higher. $ 2 per gallon in 2000 would be $ 2.60 today. Although prices obviously increased, it's not correct to compare old prices without taking inflation into account.
Yes, a dollar bought a lot more back then. But still, my point is that current prices have galloped to a point unknown as recently as a decade ago. They might be cheap in comparison to what is paid in European countries but it has been a shock to the system for the average car dependent American that was used to cheap gas for most of his/her life. Having that gas guzzling SUV that only has 13 mpg isn't as good an idea when gas is $4.25 a gallon. In a way it spurs more efficiency but it's a shock nonetheless.

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Anyway, what surprises me is the lack of media attention of the higher fuel prices recently. Some blame the media, with them covering the subject intensively during Bush's presidency, but not so much during Obamas presidency, however there is a similar tendency in Europe, you don't read about it as much nowadays.
Gas prices are always in the news here.

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It's interesting to see what people say they will do, and what they actually do. Maybe they scrap a few short trips to the supermarket by car to make themselves feel good and think they cut back on driving.
Personally I simply drive to work and come back, that's it. Maybe I'll stop by a supermarket or restaurant on the way occasionally, but I don't deviate much. Or I'll go out with friends once a week. If gas actually hit $5/gallon, I'd likely look into carpooling programs to cut my use a bit.
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Anyway, what surprises me is the lack of media attention of the higher fuel prices recently.

It's interesting to see what people say they will do, and what they actually do. Maybe they scrap a few short trips to the supermarket by car to make themselves feel good and think they cut back on driving.
I completely agree with you when you criticize medias: it seems it became normal to pay 1,9 €/l for a litre of fuel when's not!

Then, I also agree with you on cutting back on driving: yes, moving by bike is a good thing to do but your save will be very low!

Last weekend I went to Bergamo and I paid 14 € return train ticket. If I had driven there by car I would have burnt ca. 14 liters of fuel (that with MY average price turn out to cost 23,34 € but obviously they cost more) and 9,20 € of motorway toll. The total amount would have been about 32/33 €!
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I read somewhere in the news that this year in Italy has been sold more bikes than cars. For first time after WW II.
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I read somewhere in the news that this year in Italy has been sold more bikes than cars. For first time after WW II.
http://www.lettera43.it/motori/indus...4367566324.htm [Italian]

That's true!

The trouble is that we lack in cycling paths!
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