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Old February 21st, 2014, 10:45 PM   #2721
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I don't think there are many countries in Europe where gas costs less than € 1 per liter. Even in low-income countries fuel is usually more expensive than that. Even in Albania, a country with GDP per capita of $ 9,000 gasoline costs € 1.33 per liter, according to this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/
Interesting link, Chris.
But for Germany, I must say, these prices are not representative.
Since the market transparency system has been on, the pricing game has changed. Instead of raising prices twice a week and letting the trickle down over 2-3 days, prices are being raised late in the evening and then go down over the next day, until they reach a low in the early evening.

Super 95 for example is shown at € 1,576 pr liter on the website.
According to my ADAC fuel prices app, it is currently 1,469 where I live, and it is similar all over the country today. Aral and Shell have already raised their prices to 1,589 - 1,599 (It is now 9.45 PM CET) I bet, an hour ago, it was still at 1,479 - 1,489, and that's what it's going to be again tomorrow at 6 PM CET.

They are playing this game every single day
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 12:54 AM   #2722
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I don't think there are many countries in Europe where gas costs less than € 1 per liter. Even in low-income countries fuel is usually more expensive than that. Even in Albania, a country with GDP per capita of $ 9,000 gasoline costs € 1.33 per liter, according to this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/
The high European gas prices are really unfortunate for people. Last summer I drove about 4 000 km in Europe with a rental car, with tiny engine (1.6 L, I am used to (European-made) V8...) I didn't think too much of the fuel prices, but when I got home I looked at bills and noticed I had spent more than $600 on gasoline alone (car was $450), over only 2 weeks mostly spent walking around city centres and drinking beer. It probably hurts pleasure travel to some extent.
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 09:54 PM   #2723
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3,17$ per gallon of regular today
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 10:31 PM   #2724
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The high European gas prices are really unfortunate for people. Last summer I drove about 4 000 km in Europe with a rental car, with tiny engine (1.6 L, I am used to (European-made) V8...) I didn't think too much of the fuel prices, but when I got home I looked at bills and noticed I had spent more than $600 on gasoline alone (car was $450), over only 2 weeks mostly spent walking around city centres and drinking beer. It probably hurts pleasure travel to some extent.
Yeah, the times when people could drive just for fun are somewhat over, in Europe.

If you want to travel, calculate the costs for fuel, consider them in your budget, then you'll be ok.
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 10:35 PM   #2725
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Some of the higher cost of fuel is offset by better fuel mileage, especially if you drive a diesel car (which is far more common in Europe than in the U.S.). Even diesel family cars can get 45 miles per gallon these days.
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 11:43 PM   #2726
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Some of the higher cost of fuel is offset by better fuel mileage, especially if you drive a diesel car (which is far more common in Europe than in the U.S.). Even diesel family cars can get 45 miles per gallon these days.
It is true, but that is counteracted by worse driving experience. I tried to pass a old diesel Fiat van on a Polish drog and I couldn't make it

It is kind of amusing when you look at European cars in Europe, the car is same but the engine is not. Example my Mercedes is "CLK 430" and I saw many similar older Daimler in Europe, but all marked "200", they forgot to install half of the engine

That said, despite having slow cars, they drive much faster than we do on this side, so my driving style was basically normal.

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Old February 23rd, 2014, 12:01 AM   #2727
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Yeah, the times when people could drive just for fun are somewhat over, in Europe.

If you want to travel, calculate the costs for fuel, consider them in your budget, then you'll be ok.
In Europe, not only you must consider fuel prices, but also tolls which can be really scary in some places ; parking costs can be prohibitive, too; don't forget expensive congestion charges that apply in a few cities (most of them badly indicated, to allow them to draw into your wallet). Not to mention fines, which prices scales vary enormously depending on the land you are on .
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 10:44 AM   #2728
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4,000 km is an awful lot for just 2 weeks so I think 600$ is a fair price. Higher fuel prices help to keep our roads in good condition, subsidises public transport and discourages overly long commutes.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 09:51 PM   #2729
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Today's fuel prices in Lausanne, Switzerland:
SP95: 1,79 CHF
SP98: 1,84 CHF
Diesel: 1,88 CHF
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 10:00 PM   #2730
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Have you ever noticed that in the US, normal "regular" octane is 92, while in Europe it's hard to find it; but we have higher octane "euro unleaded" starting at 95. Maybe some prices differences come from there, but I know, taxes as well .
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 10:04 PM   #2731
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The U.S. uses a different octane rating (AKI) as opposed to Europe (RON). But the octane ratings are indeed lower in the U.S, their premium (91) is European regular (95).
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 10:55 PM   #2732
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The U.S. uses a different octane rating (AKI) as opposed to Europe (RON). But the octane ratings are indeed lower in the U.S, their premium (91) is European regular (95).
Which is unfortunate as we Americans who drive European cars which require premium, as for myself a 2009 smart car, It may be a tad off for the engine in the long-run.

As for current gas prices where I am at the moment: Mississippi Gulf Coast- Average $3.17 for Unleaded octane. As low as $2.99 in the state Capital of Jackson.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 11:06 AM   #2733
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On the other side you got a very fuel-efficient car .

What's interesting, many US police, sheriffs, and parking authorities have adopted the Smart :

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Old February 25th, 2014, 04:33 PM   #2734
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I've never seen one law-enforcement Smart car over here. (And that Parking Enforcement vehicle is not in the U.S., as indicated by the Ontario plates. :-) )

Seriously, are Smart cars safe in high speed on highways, in certain weather conditions? I remember seeing a Smart car with Maryland plates here in Philadelphia on a windy day once and thinking, how the hell did she [the driver] get up here without being blown off a bridge?
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Old February 25th, 2014, 04:54 PM   #2735
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I've never seen one law-enforcement Smart car over here. (And that Parking Enforcement vehicle is not in the U.S., as indicated by the Ontario plates. :-) )

Seriously, are Smart cars safe in high speed on highways, in certain weather conditions? I remember seeing a Smart car with Maryland plates here in Philadelphia on a windy day once and thinking, how the hell did she [the driver] get up here without being blown off a bridge?
Exactly.. those smart cars are example of what could be but never will. Parking enforcement and beach patrol? Ok..but pursuit and patrol? Don't think so. .I think John Maynard was making a joke.

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The Jersey City one with a large guy in a suit getting out of the Smart car and a bunch of other people standing around screams to me "photo op! Jersey City police just bought a Smart car - TV stations and newspapers come and take pictures!" and the cynic in me wonders if it's the only one the department owns.
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The U.S. uses a different octane rating (AKI) as opposed to Europe (RON). But the octane ratings are indeed lower in the U.S, their premium (91) is European regular (95).
I think you are wrong with the numbers here

USA regular is 87 -- in Europe 91
USA plus is 89 -- in Europe 93-94
USA premium or super is 93 -- in Europe 97-98

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On the other side you got a very fuel-efficient car .

What's interesting, many US police, sheriffs, and parking authorities have adopted the Smart :

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I didn't see a single interceptor car Smart. for parking tickets or low level police work it is ok. but for anything else - I have a hard time imagining this.
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In most of Europe it's almost exclusively 95 or 98 RON, while some oil companies offer some kind of "racing" fuel with 100 RON. Apparently the United Kingdom is an outlier, according to the Wikipedia article, 97 RON is common there, but I haven't seen it elsewhere in Europe. Below 95 RON is generally rare to find (I haven't seen it for years in the Netherlands).

I think the far majority of people tank 95 RON (or diesel). In some countries 98 RON is being phased out in favor of 95 RON with additives.
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I've never seen one law-enforcement Smart car over here. (And that Parking Enforcement vehicle is not in the U.S., as indicated by the Ontario plates. :-) )

Seriously, are Smart cars safe in high speed on highways, in certain weather conditions? I remember seeing a Smart car with Maryland plates here in Philadelphia on a windy day once and thinking, how the hell did she [the driver] get up here without being blown off a bridge?
I can not imagine any department using the smart Fortwo for anything other than parking enforcement and park patrol.

As a driver of a smart fortwo I can tell you, it is VERY difficult to drive in windy conditions on the interstate, sometimes even in 45 MPH Avenue zones. I was once driving 75MPH on I-55 in a smart in the middle of Mississippi, with jacked-up trucks and 18 wheelers next to me and the vehicle literally was shaking toward each shoulder of the road. It can be a true task to keep it on the road. It handles like any other car on ice though. Even more reason to be an urban only car.


As for that Beverly Hills PD smart in the pictures from John Maynard, according to this link it is only used for the DARE program to and from schools. http://www.beverlyhills.org/cbhfiles...ar%20FINAL.pdf
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