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Old August 31st, 2014, 05:54 PM   #2821
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Saw prices as low as $3.099/gallon for regular on my way to Mom's yesterday. Last time I was up here (two weeks ago) I paid, I think, $3.179 to fill up.

Oh: "up here" means along US 22 around Plainfield, New Jersey.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 10:49 PM   #2822
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Humm..Our gas jumped from $3.19 to $3.29 a gallon last week. More than likely a little Labor Day gouging. Oopps?! did I say that?
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Old September 7th, 2014, 08:47 AM   #2823
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its still like 7$ to full up my car here in Saudi... :p
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Old September 7th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #2824
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Humm..Our gas jumped from $3.19 to $3.29 a gallon last week. More than likely a little Labor Day gouging. Oopps?! did I say that?
This past Wednesday gas dropped down to $3.17 a gallon. And is now $3.14 a gallon. The Labor Day price gouging is over.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #2825
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In France it varies from € 1.59 - 1.66 along the 'autoroute' (Euro 95-E10) to € 1.44 at unmanned fuel stations off the motorway. Which is quite a bit cheaper than in the Netherlands.

Luxembourg was € 1.34 last week, I'll drive through Martelange (gas station alley) tomorrow, let's see how cheap I can refuel there.
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Old September 7th, 2014, 10:23 PM   #2826
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Humm..Our gas jumped from $3.19 to $3.29 a gallon last week. More than likely a little Labor Day gouging. Oopps?! did I say that?
In European terms, that is € 0.02 per liter difference. Hardly worth mentioning, but I guess it seems more if you use large units such as gallons (3.785 L) and the fuel is very cheap such as in the United States.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 01:01 AM   #2827
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Prices in Lausanne, Switzerland:
SP95: 1,72 CHF (1,42 EUR)
Diesel: 1,76 CHF (1,46 EUR)
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Old September 8th, 2014, 01:12 AM   #2828
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Old September 8th, 2014, 01:21 AM   #2830
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In European terms, that is € 0.02 per liter difference. Hardly worth mentioning, but I guess it seems more if you use large units such as gallons (3.785 L) and the fuel is very cheap such as in the United States.
I don't believe it's "very cheap", just normal price fuel should cost, without all the "dairy taxes added and taken for other purposes than roads", we have in most of Europe. In many countries fuel is much cheaper than in the USA; p.e. in Egypt 1L of unleaded gasoline cost on average 0,29 USD (1.09 USD/Gallon), and this is "very cheap" .
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Old September 8th, 2014, 01:23 AM   #2831
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Estonia - € per litre:
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Old September 8th, 2014, 05:43 PM   #2832
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I don't believe it's "very cheap", just normal price fuel should cost, without all the "dairy taxes added and taken for other purposes than roads", we have in most of Europe. In many countries fuel is much cheaper than in the USA; p.e. in Egypt 1L of unleaded gasoline cost on average 0,29 USD (1.09 USD/Gallon), and this is "very cheap" .
Yes, but you have to see it in context with the average income. The GDP per capita in Egypt is $ 3,200 while it is $ 55,000 in the United States. Save for some oil-producing countries, the U.S. fuel prices are extremely low in comparison to income, especially compared to other western countries. Even in Canada the fuel prices are considerably more expensive.

I feel this is something that's overlooked easily, or not understood, considering the amount of complaints about the 'expensive' gasoline in the United States.

The low fuel prices (more specifically the low taxation on it) is a major source of problems with current highway funding in the United States. The current model of fuel taxation is simply not feasible anymore to fund the needs of its growing population.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 06:27 PM   #2833
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The low fuel prices (more specifically the low taxation on it) is a major source of problems with current highway funding in the United States. The current model of fuel taxation is simply not feasible anymore to fund the needs of its growing population.
Here in Iowa our total tax on gasoline is .21 cents a gallon.

This chart will show you the taxes for fuel in the US.

Fuel Tax information by state
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Old September 8th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #2834
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Here in Iowa our total tax on gasoline is .21 cents a gallon.

This chart will show you the taxes for fuel in the US.

Fuel Tax information by state
21 cents a gallon That is extremely low.

Here in Estonia the price of fuel consists of:

White - average cut for the petrol station
Grey - various state taxes:
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  • Fuel tax - €0.423 per litre
  • Fuel reserve tax - €0.006 per litre
Blue - purchase price for the petrol station.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #2835
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Yes, but you have to see it in context with the average income. The GDP per capita in Egypt is $ 3,200 while it is $ 55,000 in the United States. Save for some oil-producing countries, the U.S. fuel prices are extremely low in comparison to income, especially compared to other western countries. Even in Canada the fuel prices are considerably more expensive.
Well, it's not only as a matter of GPD per capita, but the problem of heavy taxing fuel, that are transposed to higher prices of goods, in general.
Furthermore, In the European Union, you do have regions with GPD per capita of less than 10'000 USD, with fuel prices costing 6-7 times higher than in Egypt.

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The low fuel prices (more specifically the low taxation on it) is a major source of problems with current highway funding in the United States. The current model of fuel taxation is simply not feasible anymore to fund the needs of its growing population.
It's a European problem, as well. Many EU countries have a very poor road network, moreover badly maintained, few motorways, lot of traffic, and quite high fuel and road taxes. Additionally, considerable EU countries have very high fuel prices, but majority of motorways and major engineering structures are being very heavily tolled to their users; in fact, it's not uncommon to see stretches of 100 Kilometers of motorway costing up to 20 EUR, or tunnel costing up to 50 EUR one-way (for cars)! The main and secondary roads in these situation aren't particularly good all the time neither.

In the USA you do have a quite decent road infrastructure in general (according to the size and lower population density of the country), and very large roads in urban areas, we rarely see in Europe (even in the case of rebuild or new cities).

So, I don't believe that high road and fuel taxes necessarily means a good and well maintained road infrastructures, especially when founds collected are used for other ends, than related to road.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 12:44 AM   #2836
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Gas today was at $1.329 per liter at the near Petro-Canada.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 12:58 AM   #2837
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Gas today was at $1.329 per liter at the near Petro-Canada.
In Toronto? Montreal is running 1.449 today.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 02:05 AM   #2838
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21 cents a gallon That is extremely low.
Yes it is. I'm happy about that. Yes I am.

We can get an discount on our gas with;

Hy-Vee Fuel Saver Cards

The largest discount I ever got was, believe it or not, .21 cents a gallon.

And gas is holding steady at $3.16 down to $3.14 a gallon in Cedar Rapids.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 09:12 AM   #2839
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So, I don't believe that high road and fuel taxes necessarily means a good and well maintained road infrastructures, especially when founds collected are used for other ends, than related to road.
Well, in the U.S. it suppose to mean just that, the fuel tax has always been the major source of road funding, and nearly all of the fuel tax income went to road infrastructure, as opposed to Europe where it flows into the general fund and you may see 30% of it returning to roads.

I'm not saying the European model of fuel taxation is necessarily better. Especially western Europe is overdoing the amount of taxation, but the U.S. has too low fuel taxes. Nobody wants higher fuel taxes. Nobody wants a per-mile vehicle tax and nobody wants tolls. But everybody wants better infrastructure. Those things don't mix.

A lot of bridges and Interstate Highways are now exceeding a 50-year lifespan and must be replaced on a very large scale in the coming two decades. The current funding gap will only increase dramatically. That's also why tolls have become so popular (among planners) as it is the only viable funding source left.
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Old September 9th, 2014, 09:27 AM   #2840
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Italian Fuel Taxes:





Around .90€/liter are only taxes (VAT included).

As you can see from the first image, we still have taxes that has been put in 1935:

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