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Old October 20th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #2921
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Those are pretty hefty annual tax rates!

The UK annual road tax is based on emissions:

Band - CO2 emissions/km - Annual tax

A - Up to 100 - £0.00
B - 101-110 - £20.00
C - 111-120 - £30.00
D - 121-130 - £110.00
E - 131-140 - £130.00
F - 141-150 - £145.00
G - 151-165 - £180.00
H - 166-175 - £205.00
I - 176-185 - £225.00
J - 186-200 - £265.00
K - 201-225 - £285.00
L - 226-255 - £485.00
M - Over 255 - £500.00
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Old October 20th, 2014, 06:55 PM   #2922
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Drove back to Philadelphia from my mother's in North Jersey yesterday after a week or so away.

Prices in her area are $2.799 to $2.899 a gallon - 18 cents off since I was last there three weeks earlier; at my neighborhood Sunoco this morning it's $3.199 - 16 cents off since I left town last Friday.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #2923
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Today I filled up for 13,28kr/l = 1,45 EUR/L
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Old October 20th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #2924
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Not bad. I remember filling up at 14.70 SEK per liter in June and I already found that cheap compared to the Netherlands or Norway.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 09:01 PM   #2925
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1.42 EUR/l yesterday in Basel. Not too bad for Western Europe, I think.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #2926
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Those are pretty hefty annual tax rates!

The UK annual road tax is based on emissions:

Band - CO2 emissions/km - Annual tax

A - Up to 100 - £0.00
B - 101-110 - £20.00
C - 111-120 - £30.00
D - 121-130 - £110.00
E - 131-140 - £130.00
F - 141-150 - £145.00
G - 151-165 - £180.00
H - 166-175 - £205.00
I - 176-185 - £225.00
J - 186-200 - £265.00
K - 201-225 - £285.00
L - 226-255 - £485.00
M - Over 255 - £500.00
Don't you have taxes based on power?

In Italy car tax goes by both pollution and power.

For example, my 25kW Euro 2 motorbike costs 50€/year, and a 25kW Euro 3 motorbike costs around 40.

Same for cars.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 09:46 PM   #2927
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No, just emissions since a few years ago. It used to be much more even but they have reduced the lower bands a lot and increased the higher bands a lot to encourage little to buy low emissions vehicles. A lot of smaller cars are in bands A-C.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #2928
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My car would be in band B (108 g of CO2 per km). 20 pounds per year! I pay € 300 per year, and that is considered to be super low road tax over here.

Car ownership and usage is overtaxed in the Netherlands. I think we may have the highest road tax in the world, especially when you own a diesel car. I don't think there's any item in Dutch society where the choice is so mandated by taxes as a car.

Though, despite the high car purchase taxes, high road taxes and record fuel prices of € 1.80 per liter recently, kilometers driven continue to be at record highs. Driving is pretty price-inelastic, we only find ways to reduce the cost rather than reduce driving.
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Chris, does that tax include Insurance?
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Old October 20th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #2930
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My car would be in band B (108 g of CO2 per km). 20 pounds per year! I pay € 300 per year, and that is considered to be super low road tax over here.

Car ownership and usage is overtaxed in the Netherlands. I think we may have the highest road tax in the world, especially when you own a diesel car. I don't think there's any item in Dutch society where the choice is so mandated by taxes as a car.

Though, despite the high car purchase taxes, high road taxes and record fuel prices of € 1.80 per liter recently, kilometers driven continue to be at record highs. Driving is pretty price-inelastic, we only find ways to reduce the cost rather than reduce driving.
I have a question. What percentage of your total income is spent on transportation? Just casually reading over what you have posted driving looks rather pricey.

We spent about 7 to 10% annually on transportation. Fuel, insurance, registration & maintenance.

Just curious. Thank you!
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Old October 20th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #2931
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Chris, does that tax include Insurance?
Car insurance plans are handed out by private companies, not the government, so it is not part of taxes. However, you do have to pay an insurance tax of 21% over your insurance plan.

However, it should be noted that car insurances in the Netherlands are relatively cheap compared some other countries. I pay about € 35 per month for an all-risk insurance. Liability-only is usually somewhat cheaper.

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I have a question. What percentage of your total income is spent on transportation? Just casually reading over what you have posted driving looks rather pricey.

We spent about 7 to 10% annually on transportation. Fuel, insurance, registration & maintenance.

Just curious. Thank you!
I don't know any percentage. However, some of the high fuel cost is compensated by better fuel-efficiency. My gasoline-powered car gets about 47 miles per gallon (US). 30 miles per gallon is considered to be fairly high-consuming today.

The Netherlands (and Norway, Denmark, Singapore, to name a few) also have special taxes on first-time registration. In the Netherlands it amounts to approximately 40-45% of the net car price, although some very fuel-efficient models are exempt.

However, you also have to pay a sales tax / VAT of 21%, so the total tax on a new car is often around 60-65%. In other words, it could easily run into the thousands of euros. A small family car in Belgium is easily € 5.000 - 7.000 cheaper than in the Netherlands. Not to mention high performance cars or SUVs / pickups (except for plug-in hybrid cars like the Mitsubishi Outlander).

It has been estimated that approximately 35% of the entire car lifecycle cost is composed of various taxes. That includes the car purchase itself, maintenance, taxes and fuel.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #2932
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Those are pretty hefty annual tax rates!

The UK annual road tax is based on emissions:

Band - CO2 emissions/km - Annual tax

A - Up to 100 - £0.00
B - 101-110 - £20.00
C - 111-120 - £30.00
D - 121-130 - £110.00
E - 131-140 - £130.00
F - 141-150 - £145.00
G - 151-165 - £180.00
H - 166-175 - £205.00
I - 176-185 - £225.00
J - 186-200 - £265.00
K - 201-225 - £285.00
L - 226-255 - £485.00
M - Over 255 - £500.00
How often do they increase the rates for the UK Vehicle Excise Duty? Every year or bi-annual?

Still with that said, cars like these would automatically qualify for Band M





But obviously, if you can own and drive these, then tax and fees are irrelevant. The owners won't give a s**t either.

They won't care about fuel economy either. These cars have eight to twelve cylinders (or up to sixteen in the case of Bugatti) so they only have single digit fuel economy numbers (be it in Miles Per Gallon or Kilometers Per Liter). Hell, they probably have to fill up on a full tank every single day.....but they couldn't care less lol.

For them, they have accepted the price of admission.....or rather, THE PRICE OF AWESOMENESS

Just saying
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Old October 20th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #2933
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Insurance can vary wildly here depending on age, driving record, type of car, area you live in, where you park the car at night, whether you use it for commuting or not, whether you have kids even.

Average for comprehensive insurance at the moment according to the AA is £504 per year, I pay £55 per month to cover two cars.

By age the average annual insurance premium at the moment is:

17-22 £1,096
23-29 £650
30-39 £426
40-49 £401
50-59 £339
60-69 £292
70+ £359
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Old October 21st, 2014, 03:20 AM   #2934
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US Gas Prices Dropping Like A Rock

Combination of less demand and more US production.

Lowest I can find is $2.46 per gallon in Union, Missouri. Probably some regional wars that might be even lower.

Even previously expensive cities like Seattle are now under $3.00 per gallon.
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Old October 21st, 2014, 04:25 AM   #2935
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should this be in the gas prices thread?
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Old October 21st, 2014, 04:32 AM   #2936
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I'd say so. Perhaps pwalker didn't know it was there: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=713628
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Old October 21st, 2014, 04:55 AM   #2938
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Even previously expensive cities like Seattle are now under $3.00 per gallon.
I haven't seen any that low yet. Maybe in the suburbs. Where are they?
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Old October 21st, 2014, 11:13 AM   #2939
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Fuel Prices are dropping here in Belgium.
I live close to Antwerp.
September 2015 Today
Gasoil: €1.29 €1.22
Euro95: €1.47 €1.37
Euro98: €1.47 €1.37
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Insurance can vary wildly here depending on age, driving record, type of car, area you live in, where you park the car at night, whether you use it for commuting or not, whether you have kids even.
From what I understand, the UK is unusual in insuring the driver as well as the car. From what I've been told, in most countries you pay the car insurance and anyone can drive it.

Residence makes a huge difference. Where I live, 50 km south of London, it costs about 200 GBP a year to insure my Smart car for me and my partner (aged 39 and 43). If I keep everything the same and change the address to my friend's in north London, it costs 900 GBP.
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