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Old November 20th, 2008, 09:34 PM   #361
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No way! € 0,58 here
Remember that a 1251 - 1349 kg LPG G3 car costs € 800,- per year for road tax.

Same weight class:

Gasoline: € 568
Diesel: € 1.104
LPG: € 1.168 (without G3)
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Old November 20th, 2008, 09:36 PM   #362
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We don't have these stupid LPG and diesel tax Gasoline, ON and LPG are equal.


What? LPG to have such a low price or us to have many LPG stations?
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Old November 20th, 2008, 09:43 PM   #363
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I mean the LPG is quite cheap to buy, but the road taxes are much higher than when you drive on gasoline (petrol). Same is for diesel in some way. It's slightly cheaper than petrol, but the annual road tax is about twice the petrol-car road tax.

Road taxes in the Netherlands are extremely non-transparant.

Let me explain.

First, you have the vehicle.
=> Automobile
=> Automobile CO2 efficient
=> Cargo van business
=> Cargo van private
=> Cargo van Disabled
and some more categories.

Then, every province has their own taxes. They usually differ only marginally, but some are more expensive than the other, so it depends in which province you live.

Then, you have to select the fuel you drive on

=> Petrol
=> Diesel
=> LPG G3
=> LPG or other

Then it depends on the weight of the car. From 550 to 5050 kg, there's a step of 100 kg at the time. The heavier, the more road tax. There are about 45 weight categories.

Then, you can calculate how much you have to pay on road tax.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #364
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So what is the Gasoline-to-ON ratio in NL?

We have around 57% - 43% respectively
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Old November 20th, 2008, 09:48 PM   #365
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Which ratio? I've never heard of that term. (67+43 = 110)
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Old November 20th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #366
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(67+43 = 110)
Changed that

I meant what is the percentage of cars running on ON compared with Gasoline ones.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:04 PM   #367
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What's ON? LPG? Diesel?

Personal vehicles:

Total: 7.391.903
Gasoline: 5.905.281
Diesel: 1.251.082
LPG: 224.066

Over 2 million cars in the Netherlands (of the 7,4 million) have a grey color
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:07 PM   #368
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That cars resemble our normal sky colour

I checked Abcoude's gas prices today, and Euro 95 is €1,28/L over here
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #369
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Munich(Today)
E95 = 1.17 €
E98 - 1.19 €
diesel = 1.16 €
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:15 PM   #370
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What's ON? LPG? Diesel?
It's Diesel, I used Polish description
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:18 PM   #371
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It's Diesel, I used Polish description
Hmm, I typed "ON" in Polish Wikipedia but it didn't gave results.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:40 PM   #372
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Try Olej Napędowy

So as I can see there are not so many Diesel cars in NL. I wonder how it is in France, Spain, Germany, Italy...
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Old November 20th, 2008, 10:43 PM   #373
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I heard France is the diesel capital of the world. The US on the opposite... they drive the most but all use petrol Especially when you drive a lot, you could better have some decent fuel consumption. Saves you a lot of money, even when diesel's more expensive per gallon there. I don't know what American diesel cars consume but European/Asian ones can usually get a pretty good mileage. Compare 1 liter to 7 kilometers on American petrol cars to 1 liter to 18 - 20 kilometers for a good diesel car.
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Old November 21st, 2008, 03:05 AM   #374
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Well, diesel cars are rare. Most are not allowed in the US because of emissions or something, although more will be coming stateside in the future. Besides, when people see the fact that diesel is still about a dollar higher per gallon, it's not going to be popular.

Back in June/July...diesel was about $5/gallon (€1.06/liter in the value of the Euro today, much lower before).
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Old November 21st, 2008, 06:57 PM   #375
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i think that here in Croatia we have the cheapest LPG in Europe - it is 0,47€ per litre. and we still have very good network of filling stations. annual tax for LPG vehicles here is 70€.
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Old November 21st, 2008, 07:01 PM   #376
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Euro 95:0,94 €/L
Diesel:1 €/L

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Old November 21st, 2008, 07:05 PM   #377
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Gas prices fall below $2
http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/21/news...ion=2008112105

I said that it would reach it by the weekend so I was right.
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 04:58 AM   #378
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With falling oil prices and a falling Swedish currency, this is now the prices for the cheapest widely available fuels in Sweden:

Unleaded 95: 10,24 SEK (€0,97)
Diesel: 11,29 SEK (€1,07)

In June I put some gas in the tank near Karlsruhe for €1,52 per litre. The drop is remarkable, I've never experienced anything like it.
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omg, Sweden has cheaper fuel than Croatia
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 01:36 PM   #380
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You have to tank in Luxemburg there's fuel very cheap and cigarettes also
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