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Old May 21st, 2016, 03:38 AM   #3841
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0,790 €/L Diesel
1,005 €/L 95.
0,529 €/L GLP
0,899 €/L GNC
5 APRIL:

Quote:
0.852 €/L Diesel
1.025 €/L 95.
0.549 €/L GLP
0.773 €/L GNC
17 april:

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0.869 €/L Diesel
1.059 €/L 95.
0.556 €/L GLP
0.805 €/L GNC
5 May:

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0.900 €/L Diesel
1.062 €/L 95.
0.569 €/L GLP
0.813 €/L GNC
21 May:

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0.920 €/L Diesel
1.066 €/L 95.
0.572 €/L GLP
0.829 €/L GNC
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Old July 11th, 2016, 02:10 PM   #3842
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Fuel here in Cedar Rapids is $1.92 to $2.05 a gallon for unleaded a 10% ethanol blend.
I gassed up my car on Saturday and paid $1.97 a gallon for unleaded+ a 10% ethanol blend.

Fuel here in Cedar Rapids is $1.97 a gallon up to $2.17 a gallon.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 02:26 PM   #3843
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22 JAN:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aokromes View Post
0,790 €/L Diesel
1,005 €/L 95.
0,529 €/L GLP
0,899 €/L GNC
5 APRIL:

Quote:
0.852 €/L Diesel
1.025 €/L 95.
0.549 €/L GLP
0.773 €/L GNC
17 april:

Quote:
0.869 €/L Diesel
1.059 €/L 95.
0.556 €/L GLP
0.805 €/L GNC
5 May:

Quote:
0.900 €/L Diesel
1.062 €/L 95.
0.569 €/L GLP
0.813 €/L GNC
21 May:

Quote:
0.920 €/L Diesel
1.066 €/L 95.
0.572 €/L GLP
0.829 €/L GNC
11 Jul:

Quote:
0.929 €/L Diesel
1.055 €/L 95.
0.572 €/L GLP
0.871 €/L GNC
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Old July 11th, 2016, 06:05 PM   #3844
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91 Octane = 112 cents per litre (77 euro cents per litre, or $3.28 a US gallon)
95 Octane = 104 cents per litre (71 euro cents per litre, or $3.04 a US gallon)
98 Octane = 124 cents per litre (85 euro cents per litre, or $3.63 a US gallon)
Diesel = 102 cents per litre (70 euro cents per litre, or $2.99 a US gallon)
LPG = 59 cents a litre (40 euro cents per litre, or $1.73 a US gallon)
You still have 91 octane gasoline? For what kind of cars is it used? In Europe, except for eastern countries like Ukraine, it's not common to meet so low-octan gas at the stations, 95 is the minimum. In Poland, as well as in, I think, all the western-European countries, we have 95 and 98 only.

This is a photo of a gas station from Ukraine:



It's from 2010, June 22nd, I don't have any newer one, but you can see that they offer, or at least offered 6 years ago, even 75 octane gasoline. The other available types were 92 and 95.

This is a zoom on the sign with prices (and types of sold fuel):



There is 95, 92, 75 and, I presume, diesel. Measured, of course, in the European scale, not the American one.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 06:12 PM   #3845
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91/92 octane (RON) is occassionally still available in some EU countries. Older cars can drive on gasoline with a lower octane rating.

91/92 is rarely cheaper than 95 nowadays, due to the limited market size and relatively high distribution cost relative to its sales.
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I'm sure that 92 is the highest octane fuel you can purchase in the US. Some time ago in this thread someone pointed out that US octane rating is different from the European rating.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 07:56 PM   #3847
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Yes, the U.S. and a few other countries use the Anti-Knock Index (AKI). These are also octane ratings, but different from Research Octane Number (RON) used in most of the world.

92 AKI is similar to 98 RON, which is considered a premium gasoline in Europe (most people buy 95 RON).
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Old July 11th, 2016, 08:07 PM   #3848
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e.g in Sweden the 91 RON is very often available if not always
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Old July 12th, 2016, 02:43 AM   #3849
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Yes, the U.S. and a few other countries use the Anti-Knock Index (AKI). These are also octane ratings, but different from Research Octane Number (RON) used in most of the world.

92 AKI is similar to 98 RON, which is considered a premium gasoline in Europe (most people buy 95 RON).
The AKI is a average of the RON number and the "Motor Octane Number" test (MON)

Curiously the MON (and AKI by extension) was to help detect issues with sustained high load operationg (e.g. German autobahn) and it is partially why typical gasoline (which has not much chemical octane) has a lower number in MON than RON)

US which previously used RON numbers, switched to this AKI average around the middle or late Seventies

However the country with the most sustained high-load driving, Germany, still uses only RON exclusively

Here is a nice article with more info: http://www.refiningonline.com/engelh...ep/tcr4_29.htm

I am curious though by the Soviet 75 / 76 octane gasoline... what did it run, Ural breadvan or Lada too?
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Old July 12th, 2016, 09:25 AM   #3850
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I am curious though by the Soviet 75 / 76 octane gasoline... what did it run, Ural breadvan or Lada too?
In fact 76/80 fuel was banned somewhere in 2012 so now I see it absolutely nowhere in Ukraine. Some say it is a mix of diesel and 95 and that, yes, Soviet cars could go on it, but I remember a Pajero(2004 MY) being fuelled with that 76 once and it worked! It was worse than 92, but still it drove.
About the breadvan: it uses diesel.
Here are our prices for now(normal petrol station, not that on the photo, 1$=24.83 UAH):
98(which is extremely rare) 28,90 UAH(1.164$)
95+(something like better 95) 24.99 UAH(1.005$)
95 23.99 UAH(0.966$)
92 22.99 UAH(0.927$)
diesel+ 21.99 UAH(0.878$)
diesel 20.99 UAH(0.838$)
gas 9.45 UAH(0.381$)
I must say, European prices for those who earn 170$ in average monthly!
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Old July 12th, 2016, 11:47 AM   #3851
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In Sydney, prices have recently fallen to a low of AUD $1.12 a litre for regular unleaded (91), or 76.9 in euro cents.

Those prices I put up from Western Sydney have 91 and 95 the wrong way around. 91 is cheaper than 95.

Yes, 91 is by far the dominant petrol grade in Australia in all states, except New South Wales. In NSW, 95 and 98 are a lot more popular because the State Government is trying to enforce an ethanol mandate by replacing regular 91 with E10, which people are staying away from in droves.

There was talk around 2010 of phasing out 91 and making 95 regular, but it never eventuated.

Nearly all Jap imports are tuned for 91 with a few exceptions like the Honda Accord Euro which stipulates 95. All euros are 98/min 95
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Old July 12th, 2016, 01:31 PM   #3852
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According to Polish Wikipedia - the 78 gasoline, containing lead (a compound of lead, PbEt_4, working as an antiknock agent), was introduced a few years after the World War 2. And it was the basic type of gasoline sold on the gas stations.

In the 1960's 94 gasoline started to be introduced.

From 1986 the 78 gasoline started to be replaced by the 86 gasoline. And the 98 gasoline started to be introduced as well. In addition, the octane number of the 94 gasoline was changed to 95.

What is interesting, the pumps at the gas stations with specific kinds of fuel were marked by colors. 78 was blue, 86 was blue, 94/95 was yellow, 98 was purple and the diesel fuel was brown. But when the gasoline 86 and 98 were introduced, the pumps on many stations weren't repainted due to lack of paint on the market.

The unleaded gasoline was introduced in the 1990's. And for some time, until the end of 2004, a special kind of unleaded gasoline, for older cars, was sold - it was called universal gasoline.

Currently the types of fuel typically sold by the gas stations in Poland are: unleaded 95, unleaded 98, diesel and LPG. The last one is very popular in Poland due to its lower price (also the taxes on the LPG are lower than on the gasoline and diesel fuel). Many branches of gas stations sell also "premium" type of 98 and diesel (actually, often they don't sell "normal" 98, but only the premium one).
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it's curious the 78 gasoline (at least in PL) contained lead.
In the US many years ago (before 1970's) when leaded gasoline was standard there was similar very low octane fuel, a RON in the 70's called "white gasoline" for old vehicles, machinery and for non-motor uses, e.g. camping stove, it contained no lead.
The "universal gas" you mention is interesting, perhaps it contained some kind of metallic anti-wear agent (to prevent wear of the exhaust valve seats) for engines without hardened inserts? (which previously relied on lead deposition there)

Since the tetraethyl lead is a excellent anti-knock agent it seems you would need to work hard to just get 78 octane when using it, instead of like 100 octane... unless of course maybe they used only few mg per litre
I guess, when driving Warszawa or Syrena, the 78 gasoline was fine, and if one was nomenklatura your chauffeur tanked up your Poloneza with 94
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The "universal gas" you mention is interesting, perhaps it contained some kind of metallic anti-wear agent (to prevent wear of the exhaust valve seats) for engines without hardened inserts? (which previously relied on lead deposition there)
Yes, from what I have read, it contained compounds of potassium instead of lead to protect the valves.

Well, initially the gasoline for cars used to be bought in pharmacy shops since the basic application of gasoline before cars got popular was medical. And it didn't contain any anti-knock agents, because human body doesn't need them, and they can even be toxic (like the one based on lead, used very long throughout the years). I remember that once I had an operation, and when a few weeks later a doctor was removing the stitches, he was also using gasoline. Of course, definitely not gasoline from a gas station, but rather from a pharmacy store.

And, from what I have read, one of the first anti-knock agents came also from pharmacies - it was iodine. The problem was that the exhaust gases had a very specific and unpleasant smell.

I agree that it's weird, because those agents are added to the gas to increase its octane number - but maybe our gas was of such a low quality that they had to be used even to get 78 octanes?

The Polish brand name of the leaded gasoline was "etylina" - which came from the tetraethyl compund.

I have just accidentally found a press note of the Polish biggest fuel manufacturer (PKN Orlen) that they ceased the production of the leaded gasoline (94 octane) on 2000, December 12th: http://www.orlen.pl/PL/RelacjeInwest...kcjiEtyli.aspx
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Old July 17th, 2016, 10:30 PM   #3855
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Prices in Egypt:
92 Octane
29 cents ($)
27 euro cents
95 Octane
64 euro cents
70 cents ($)
98 Octane ( you can rarely find that, i've only seen it twice my self)
1.01 dollars
92 euro cents
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I just fueled up my car after making several trips this weekend. The cost was $1.95 a gallon for unleaded a 10% ethanol blend.
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California checking in at 2.45 a gallon for regular Thats Central Cali

Does not represent SF or LA which can be as much as a 1 dollar more a gallon
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Prices in Egypt:
92 Octane
29 cents ($)
27 euro cents
95 Octane
64 euro cents
70 cents ($)
98 Octane ( you can rarely find that, i've only seen it twice my self)
1.01 dollars
92 euro cents
When I was in Tunisia, I have noticed, that the gas station don't have these big signs with prices of all the kinds of fuel they offer, as they have in Europe (so the driver can see the prices and choose a cheaper station). Is it also so in Egypt?
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Latvijas Nafta in Riga, Latvia today:

E95: 1.038 EUR/l
Diesel: 0.919 EUR/l
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When I was in Tunisia, I have noticed, that the gas station don't have these big signs with prices of all the kinds of fuel they offer, as they have in Europe (so the driver can see the prices and choose a cheaper station). Is it also so in Egypt?
They advertise the fuel options available, but not the prices.
Every one pretty much knows the prices because they're fixed and subsidised by the government.
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