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Old January 6th, 2017, 04:45 PM   #3881
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I don't get the urge for manned fuel station in The Netherlands. Most in Belgium are not manned except for those on highways or highway exits. Most fuelstations are just a row of pumps and an automat.
Many manned fuel stations have already been turned into unmanned, automated stations. This is where most people fuel, as they usually offer the lowest prices (typically a 9-12 cent discount).

The remaining manned fuel stations act like small shops. They are mainly on motorway service areas, major roads and in some cities where they are the only shops open at night.

In my city there is a full-service Esso with 3 unmanned fuel stations within 500 meters (2 of those directly on the same road) and 3 more within a kilometer radius. Yet despite its non-competitive fuel prices it survives. Most of these stations make their profit from sales of food, snacks and drinks, not the actual sale of fuel.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 08:32 PM   #3882
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I filled up today for 14,04 kr/liter, which is 1,47 €/liter or $5.88/gallon.

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I need some sort of conversion chart for comparing the price of fuel in the US to the rest of the World.
Google is pretty handy for this. If you type in "14.04 SEK/liter to USD/gallon" or "$2.25/gallon to EUR/liter" you get a conversion like

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14.04 (Swedish kronor / liter) =
5.87637756 U.S. dollars / US gallon
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$2.25 / US gallon =
0.562839939 Euros / liter
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Old January 6th, 2017, 10:22 PM   #3883
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Old January 7th, 2017, 01:23 AM   #3884
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Many manned fuel stations have already been turned into unmanned, automated stations. This is where most people fuel, as they usually offer the lowest prices (typically a 9-12 cent discount).
In Poland almost all are manned. In such a way that you fuel your car up on your own (it's rarely done by a man from the station - especially if someone fuels LPG gas), but you go to a small shop and pay there at the counter.

Fully automated stations are cheaper, but they are rare and some people are afraid of tanking there, because it sometimes happens that it swallows the money (or charges it from the card) and gives no fuel. At a "normal" station it's not a problem, you fuel up first and then pay.

By the way, it's interesting that in Poland we don't have many Europe-wide branches of gas stations, like OMV, Aral or Agip. Lukoil has recently sold their stations in Poland (although the new owner operates them still under the Lukoil brand). But we have two very big local branches instead: Orlen and Lotos.

From those Europe-wide, we have: BP, Shell (not so many stations and they are usually more expensive than others) and Statoil. There is also quite many independent ones, especially in places out of big cities and main roads.
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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:21 AM   #3885
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Brands from polish petrol station market with its number of petrol stations. Given only brands with over 100 petrol stations.



* Norwegian network of Statoil was sold to canadian company K Circle
** Russian network of Lukoil was sold to austrian company AMIC Energy Management

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Old January 7th, 2017, 10:49 AM   #3886
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In Poland almost all are manned.
I noticed this in the Czech Republic and other eastern countries as well. I suppose it's due to the lower labor cost. It's difficult to sell fuel, maintain competitive prices while at the same time pay several staff € 25,000 - 30,000 per year in salary, pension and social insurances.
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Old January 7th, 2017, 07:46 PM   #3887
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By the way, I have noticed that the prices of products like soft drinks, sweets and everything else what is normally sold at manned stations and has nothing to do with cars (so excluding the stuff like oils and other car liquids, light bulbs for car, car accessories, maps) are not much more expensive there than in normal shops/supermarkets in Poland. There is a difference, but it's not that huge. Meanwhile in Germany and other western countries the difference is much higher.

Orlen has also a branch of low-cost stations called Bliska (Polish for "the close one" in the feminine gender, as "stacja" - station is feminine). The difference was they don't offer premium fuels and don't accept the Orlen loyalty program cards (called "Vitay" - Polish for "welcome", but written phonetically in English). They have started to convert them to normal Orlen stations some time ago, but there are still some Bliskas in Poland too.

It's interesting that there is more Shell stations than Lukoil station in Poland. In the city of Łódź there is definitely more Lukoils.

Concerning the automated stations, the biggest branch of them was Neste, according to Wikipedia it was Finnish. In 2013 they were overtaken by Shell, but there was no brand name. In 2014 they sold them to a Polish company, which rebranded them to E-Mila (Polish for "e-mile" or "Emily").

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Old January 8th, 2017, 10:54 AM   #3888
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Canberra, Australia

91 - 127.9 AU cents per litre (0.89 Euro per litre)
95 - 139.9 AU cents per litre (0.97 Euro per litre)
98 - 146.9 AU cents per litre (1.02 Euro per litre)
Diesel - 129.9 AU cents per litre (0.90 Euro per litre)
LPG - 61.9 AU cents per litre (0.43 Euro per litre)
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Old January 9th, 2017, 01:24 AM   #3889
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Old January 9th, 2017, 02:12 AM   #3890
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1,078 CAD/L
2,38 USD/gal(US) = 3,15 CAD / 3,78 L/gal = 0,833 CAD/L

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Old January 12th, 2017, 12:07 AM   #3891
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I noticed this in the Czech Republic and other eastern countries as well. I suppose it's due to the lower labor cost. It's difficult to sell fuel, maintain competitive prices while at the same time pay several staff € 25,000 - 30,000 per year in salary, pension and social insurances.
In Poland there are two reasons for this

1. Until recently Polish legislation required LPG to be dispensed by an employee of the service station. Polish consumers typically rebuild their engines to run on LPG instead of gasoline given the massive price difference. I believe Poland sells more LPG than gasoline.

2. Poland is a cash intensive country. Payment cards only recently began gaining popularity and recently bank cards had the second lowest penetration rate in Europe. Hence stations have to be manned.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 12:49 AM   #3892
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By the way, I have noticed that the prices of products like soft drinks, sweets and everything else what is normally sold at manned stations and has nothing to do with cars (so excluding the stuff like oils and other car liquids, light bulbs for car, car accessories, maps) are not much more expensive there than in normal shops/supermarkets in Poland. There is a difference, but it's not that huge. Meanwhile in Germany and other western countries the difference is much higher.

Orlen has also a branch of low-cost stations called Bliska (Polish for "the close one" in the feminine gender, as "stacja" - station is feminine). The difference was they don't offer premium fuels and don't accept the Orlen loyalty program cards (called "Vitay" - Polish for "welcome", but written phonetically in English). They have started to convert them to normal Orlen stations some time ago, but there are still some Bliskas in Poland too.

It's interesting that there is more Shell stations than Lukoil station in Poland. In the city of Łódź there is definitely more Lukoils.

Concerning the automated stations, the biggest branch of them was Neste, according to Wikipedia it was Finnish. In 2013 they were overtaken by Shell, but there was no brand name. In 2014 they sold them to a Polish company, which rebranded them to E-Mila (Polish for "e-mile" or "Emily").
Quite a diffrence in Latvia, everything costs almost the double in manned gas stations. That goes for the bigger chains like Statoil or Neste (unmanned, but usually comes with Narvesen or/and Hesburger).

Neste is the biggest unmanned chain here, but most of the manned gas stations (Statoil, Gotika Auto, Lukoil, Shell and others) offer paying with credit card right next to the fuel pump. In Neste you an also pay with banknotes, something that most other stations don't accept.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #3893
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1,078 CAD/L
2,38 USD/gal(US) = 3,15 CAD / 3,78 L/gal = 0,833 CAD/L

carbon tax!
gas has always been cheaper in the US. The carbon tax added only 4.5 cents in taxes on January 1st. That 1.078 / litre would be 1.033/litre without it. Ontario has a 10 cent federal gas tax, 14.7 cent provincial gas tax, carbon tax, then sales tax of 13%.. even at 0 taxation that gas is around 66 cents.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 03:26 AM   #3894
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In Java, Indonesia, fuel prices are pretty much the same:

December 2016 price per liter
90 octane 'Pertalite'= $0.55
92 octane 'Pertamax' = $0.6
Diesel 'Solar' $0.6

January 2017 price per liter
90 octane 'Pertalite'= $0.56
92 octane 'Pertamax' = $0.65
Diesel 'Solar' $0.65

We do have 95 octane 'Pertamax Plus' @ $0.75/L & 98 octane 'Pertamax Turbo' @ $0.8/L but they hard to come by even in large cities
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 08:11 PM   #3895
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Latvijas Nafta in Riga, Latvia

E95 - 1.129 EUR/l
E98 - 1.149 EUR/l
Diesel - 1.090 EUR/l
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 09:25 PM   #3896
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In Poland, in Łódź area, the Pb 95 costs currently something around 4,60 zł. A week ago I paid 4,55 zł, choosing rather a cheaper station (my nearest one, even though it belongs to the same branch, was 4,63 zł).

The current exchange rate on Internet money exchange platforms is around 4,30 zł/EUR, so this price (4,60 zł) in euro will be 1,07 EUR.

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2. Poland is a cash intensive country. Payment cards only recently began gaining popularity and recently bank cards had the second lowest penetration rate in Europe. Hence stations have to be manned.
Second lowest after Germany, I believe Paying by card in Germany is still a pain, but now it's better than it was a few years ago anyway. Most supermarkets accept foreign cards now, but card payment (even with those German EC cards) is still usually impossible in smaller shops or in pubs and restaurants.

In Poland you also won't pay by card everywhere, but small shops very often accept them, the same is for "better" restaurants and all the supermarkets.

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Old February 3rd, 2017, 09:28 PM   #3897
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The Netherlands is quite a bit more expensive:

Euro 95: € 1.678
Diesel: € 1.329

These are the 'national advisory prices', which you generally only pay at motorway service areas. Most people refuel at unmanned stations which are generally € 0.10 - 0.13 cheaper less expensive.
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By the way, on an automated (unmanned) station, I would pay maybe 0,05 - 0,10 zł less.

And the station I refueled for that price was not only manned, but they had even an employee who was responsible for help in refueling. One for all the stands - so most of the people refuel on their own, but the lucky one lets the man refuel and can already go to the shop to pay (or wait in a queue for paying because he must wait till the end of refuelling anyway).

It was a station of our biggest branch, Orlen. Interestingly, on the stations in cities they usually don't have such employees, but in smaller towns it's quite common. And it was a station in a town.
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Old February 4th, 2017, 01:52 AM   #3899
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Shell mostly has people employed only for refueling
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Old February 4th, 2017, 03:12 AM   #3900
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All Shell stations have them. And something false about Shell's overtaking the Neste chain (what Kpc21 said) is that all of them were rebranded as e-Mila: there are also automatic-only stations of Shell brand and many of them were changed into traditional, but still small ones (I guess that more than stayed automatic-only). What's weird, those unmanned ones are visibly more expensive than those converted into traditional. At one of them I fuel usually, there the 95 gasoline is nearly always ~0,10 PLN cheaper than at a different Shell about a kilometer further.

Otherwise the Statoil 1-2-3 unmanned station is definitely the cheapest here in Tarnowskie Góry, while the quality of the gas being sold there is rather safe. What I would not say about unchained ones selling the gas in quite equal prices.
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