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Old September 3rd, 2017, 12:37 AM   #4041
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Gas has jumped 20 cents in Ontario because of Harvey. It was hovering around $1.10/litre on Thursday, and today it's near $1.30. Ridiculous price increases.
In U.S. dollars, and gallons, that's an increase of more than 60 cents if my math is right.
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 01:53 AM   #4042
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So far I've seen 1.28 to 1.38 at supermarkets in France. (Euro 95). Fuel is more expensive in remote mountain areas, some charge up to 1.65 per liter which is more expensive than at a motorway service area. I paid € 1.13 in Luxembourg. It's nice to see the total price gauge going up only slightly faster than the volume you're fueling 😁 instead of being at € 30 at only 20 liters...
Every time I go back to Italy from the UK or in France somewhere in the east, I always go through Luxembourg. The fuel stop at the huge petrol station just passed the border with Belgium is a must.

Even because there is no gas station for the 130km before that.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 02:52 PM   #4043
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Fuel prices in my area seemed to have stablized in my area..



$2.35 / US gallon =
0.53 Euros / liter
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Old September 6th, 2017, 01:28 AM   #4044
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In U.S. dollars, and gallons, that's an increase of more than 60 cents if my math is right.
indeed, random and crazy

But... there aren't any observed shortages of gasoline and there are a lot of refineries shut-in for the moment. Capitalist economy is neatly balancing supply and demand! But it sucks my wallet
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Old September 25th, 2017, 12:05 AM   #4045
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I just came back from northern Chicago area and fuel there was about $2.39 a gallon;

$2.39 / US gallon =
0.528299896 Euros / liter
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Old September 27th, 2017, 01:10 AM   #4046
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I filled up in France before getting the ferry back to the UK from holiday. €1.18 per litre for diesel at LeClerc near Roscoff in Brittany. In the UK it's £1.22, (€1.34) although I use Shell mainly and normally avoid supermarket fuels. Equates to about $6.30 per US gallon. Glad I drive a Diesel, as I rack up 20,000 miles per year through my commute and occasional road trips.

As an aside, I brought back plenty of wine from France - 96 bottles and 30 boxed litres because it is so much cheaper. Plus a couple of bottles of Glenfiddich - £20 per bottle, instead of £34 in the UK. Amazing that you have to spend more on whisky in the country where it's produced, but then that's tax for you. Needless to say the back mudflaps caught on a couple of speed humps coming out of the ferry terminal.
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I filled up in France before getting the ferry back to the UK from holiday. €1.18 per litre for diesel at LeClerc near Roscoff in Brittany. In the UK it's £1.22, (€1.34) although I use Shell mainly and normally avoid supermarket fuels. Equates to about $6.30 per US gallon. Glad I drive a Diesel, as I rack up 20,000 miles per year through my commute and occasional road trips..
Almost every adult I know or encounter has a car/mini-van or pick up truck. No one I know uses diesel. There are diesel pick-up trucks in the US. Mostly Dodges and Fords.
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Diesel is approximately 30% more efficient than gasoline. So it has lower fuel consumption and reduces CO2 emissions, which is one of the reasons why diesel has seen fiscal incentives in some European countries. However diesel also produces more nitrogen and particles, I believe the U.S. EPA standards don't take into account those differences, making it difficult for the automotive industry to produce EPA compliant diesel cars.
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Twice in recent years, I've gone to Europe and rented, expecting to pay a lot more than I'm used to for fuel. But both trips I've gotten diesel cars (and I don't think I requested that...does it happen automatically?) and the mileage is so good it pretty much makes up for the price difference. (I haven't actually done the math, but it doesn't feel that bad.)
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It depends on the country, because the tax structure varies wildly between countries. For example the Netherlands has fairly low diesel prices compared to gasoline prices, but the high road tax for diesel cars means that not many people drive a diesel car despite the lower fuel price.
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Old September 27th, 2017, 10:28 PM   #4052
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But both trips I've gotten diesel cars (and I don't think I requested that...does it happen automatically?)
I rent often cars (about once per month). Even though I book exactly the same thing every time (Ford Focus, manual, no fuel specification), I get about half of the times a diesel car. Also half of the times I get an upgrade

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and the mileage is so good it pretty much makes up for the price difference. (I haven't actually done the math, but it doesn't feel that bad.)
Usually if you drive more than the average, a diesel car is on long-term cheaper. I've done the math for my case (about 27.000 km with my car each year in the last 2-3 years), and a diesel car is cheaper.
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It depends on the country, because the tax structure varies wildly between countries. For example the Netherlands has fairly low diesel prices compared to gasoline prices, but the high road tax for diesel cars means that not many people drive a diesel car despite the lower fuel price.
Chris, please explain the Road Tax..Thanks!
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The road tax in some countries is an annual fee for owning a car. The tax rate usually varies according to specifications of the car like weight, fuel type, engine size or horsepower.

In the Netherlands the annual road tax ranges from € 300 per year for a small city car to over € 1500 per year for a large diesel car. A diesel-powered pickup truck is even more expensive, but most of those are converted to LPG / Autogas.
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Almost every adult I know or encounter has a car/mini-van or pick up truck. No one I know uses diesel. There are diesel pick-up trucks in the US. Mostly Dodges and Fords.
In the US though fuel prices are low, so it's no surprise that people can afford to drive larger petrol powered vehicles.

I have a 2006 Audi A6 Avant with a 2.7 Turbo Diesel V6 engine. I average 45mpg and I can nudge over 50mpg on long motorway runs. If I had the 2.7 petrol turbo I'd probably be lucky to see over 30mpg, and that would be expensive. Petrol variants of the A6 are like hen's teeth to find because of lower mpg and hence higher costs. I can get 500-600 miles from a £70 tank, depending on the drive between fill-ups.
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The road tax in some countries is an annual fee for owning a car. The tax rate usually varies according to specifications of the car like weight, fuel type, engine size or horsepower.
And in some countries it's just included in the fuel price.
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The road tax in some countries is an annual fee for owning a car. The tax rate usually varies according to specifications of the car like weight, fuel type, engine size or horsepower.
Sounds like what we call the registration fee which of course varies depending on what state you live in and what sort of vehicle you own.

Wait, is the road tax in addition to any registration fee?
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I average 45mpg and I can nudge over 50mpg on long motorway runs.
I'm just curious that's all..What do you consider a long motorway run? we just made a trip to northern Illinois and drove a total of 560 miles round trip plus what ever we drove while in Northern IL.
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I once drove 2300 km in a longer week-end trip (Friday returning back on Monday). I drove from central Austria to Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro.
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I once drove 2300 km in a longer week-end trip (Friday returning back on Monday). I drove from central Austria to Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro.
On several occasions I've driven round trip coast to coast here in the US.

.... From

San Diego to North Carolina round trip

San Diego to New York/New Jersey three times roundtrip

These trips are about 2800(4506km) X 2 = 5600 miles or 9012km.

Gas was cheaper but the speed limit in 1978 on my first trip was only 55mph(88.5kmh)
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