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Old April 13th, 2010, 05:22 PM   #961
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Forgot to mention: in Brazil Gas has between 20% and 25% of anhydrous Ethanol (E20 - E25). And Ethanol is actually Hydrous Ethanol (92% Ethanol, 8% Water).
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Old April 13th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #962
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Fortunately, since I have a diesel car.

btw, I noticed diesel costs more than the unleaded in Switzerland.
Same in the UK, only by a penny per litre though at the moment, a couple of years ago diesel was more like 10p more. But if you can get 60 mpg from a diesel car rather than 40mpg from petrol it is still cheaper overall.

Best price here for unleaded now is £1.179/litre that's €1.33 or $6.85 per US gallon.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 09:00 PM   #963
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Portsmouth today. BP is quite expensive fuel supplier in the UK. I usually fill-up in Shell stations which are cheaper.

Interesting thing is the same price for both, petrol and diesel.

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Old April 13th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #964
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Gasoline / petrol / Euro 95 seems to have risen much faster in the Netherlands than surrounding countries. Diesel didn't increase that much, although it is about € 0,30 higher than a year ago.

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Euro 95: € 1.585
Euro 98: € 1.649
Diesel: € 1.229
LPG: € 0.712

percentage-wise the LPG drivers are hurt the most, because the LPG prices tripled in the last 3 years. I remember it being sold in the low € 0.30's a few years ago. (there is almost no tax on LPG in the Netherlands, but the annual road fee for LPG cars is MUCH higher than gasoline).

LPG sucks, by the way. If you're not driving a mini car, you'll consume like 1 liter every 6 to 10 km. My dad drives a Renault Espace and consumes 1 liter of LPG every 6 km. If you drive much, you have to fill up all the time. My boss has a 100 km one-way commute and has to refuel every second day
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Old April 13th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #965
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ah the netherlands, the fuel prices over here are absurd indeed, just crazy stupid government with all their taxes
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Old April 13th, 2010, 09:54 PM   #966
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ah the netherlands, the fuel prices over here are absurd indeed, just crazy stupid government with all their taxes
Yeah... but people don't use they cars less...
And with the plans for paying the bill of the recent financial crisis, prices for fuel will definitely not be going down. Perhaps they will even get the crazy idea to tax fuel even more... sort of new "Kwartje van Kok" ... :@
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Old April 13th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #967
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The Dutch government is addicted to taxes, we also have a relatively high income tax, but as opposed to Scandinavia, our incomes are not as high. An easy way to get more income would be to raise the sales tax by 1 or 2% to 20 or 21%. We need to cut down on expenditures to things not essential in keeping this country running. The welfare state we pursue has grown unaffordable, especially on the state pensions (AOW) and the unemployment benefits for people with a minor disability (WA-jong).

Mobility is largely price-inelastic, since most people aren't driving just for fun (apart from road geeks who save up to make road trips). Short trips (less than 2 km) may be seen as unnecessary, although those trips cost so little that most people won't give it up, even at high fuel prices. What people are gonna cut-down on are long-distance trips not essential to household functioning, such as trips to grandma or a recreational area on Sunday 50 km away.

Remember that the 2008 gas price spikes didn't cause the slightest decrease in traffic congestion, it wasn't until that the recession kicked in that congestion started to decrease in 2009.

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Old April 14th, 2010, 10:14 PM   #968
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In Toronto and Mississauga today the price was 99.9c per litre at most gas stations. This is for Octane 85 which is cheapest and used by most cars.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 10:16 PM   #969
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Q8 in Denmark standard prices today:

92 Unleaded
11.13 DKK (6.49 in taxes, 4.64 in profits)
1.50 € (0.87€ in taxes, 0.63€ in profits)
$2.04/litre ($1.19 in taxes, $0.85 in profits)
$7.71/gal ($4.05 in taxes, $3.66 in profits)

95 Unleaded
11.19 DKK (6.50 in taxes, 4.69 in profits)
1.50€ (0.87€ in taxes, 0.63€ in profits)
$2.05/litre ($1.18 in taxes, $0.87 in profits)
$7.76/gal ($4.47 in taxes, $3.29 in profits)

Diesel
9.80 (4.86 in taxes, 4.94 in profits)
1.32€ (0.65€ in taxes, 0.67€ in profits)
$1.79/litre ($0.89 in taxes, $0.90 in profits)
$6.78/gal ($3.36 in taxes, $3.42 in profits)

LPG
12.17 (4,43 in taxes ,7.74 in profits)
1.64€ (0.60€ in taxes, 1.04€ in profits)
$2.22/litre ($0.81 in taxes, $1.41 in profits)
$8.40/gal ($3.07 in taxes, $5.33 in profits)
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Old April 14th, 2010, 11:00 PM   #970
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Not the entire non-tax component of the gas price is profit. You also need to calculate the market price of oil, refinery costs, transportation costs and exploitation of gas stations. Only a very small margin on fuel is actually profit, however, because there is sold so much of it, oil companies still have gigantic turnover and revenue.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 05:45 PM   #971
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i do know that. I was just trying to seperate it into 2 parts, what the government gets, and what the oil company gets
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Old May 12th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #972
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I went with my father in a small village in north Euboea; the fuel prices there in most of gas stations are much expensive than i thought: 1,52€ > 1,60€ (Athens moderate fuel price is 1,44€)
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Old May 12th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #973
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Wasn't the VAT (Greek: ΦΠΑ) increased on fuels as one of the austerity measures in Greece?
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Old May 12th, 2010, 07:45 PM   #974
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Wasn't the VAT (Greek: ΦΠΑ) increased on fuels as one of the austerity measures in Greece?
From what I've heard, the Greeks just upped their VAT to either 23 or 25%



Anyways, my last refueling here in Appleton, Wisconsin, USA a couple of days ago was USA$2.759/USAgallon (about USA$0.73/liter) or €0.565/liter.

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Old May 12th, 2010, 09:14 PM   #975
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From what I've heard, the Greeks just upped their VAT to either 23 or 25%

High, but certainly not unheard of in Europe. Most countries tax between 15 and 25% on most goods.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 01:56 AM   #976
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It will be increased to 23% (on 1st July). However, the "special consuming tax" for fuels was also increased by 6c/liter (again). So the prices have risen now and will rise again on July after the new VAT is implemented.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #977
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Wasn't the VAT (Greek: ΦΠΑ) increased on fuels as one of the austerity measures in Greece?
Its not the VAT or in Greek ΦΠΑ, its because some gas station owners they increase the price they selfs... If was by the VAT the price would be almost the same for all Greece

For examble, how could the fuel price in one particurarly gas station in Athens be 1,44€ and in another gas station in Mantoudi town, North Euboea (some company) 1,52€?
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Old May 13th, 2010, 11:38 AM   #978
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There could be multiple reasons. For example scarcity. If there aren't much gas stations in Euboea, the few there are can raise prices, people won't drive 50 or so km to go to a cheaper gas stations anyway.

Another reason could be transportation cost, although that seems a bit far-fetched as Greece is rather small. I can imagine it would be more expensive on the outlying smaller islands. (for example gas prices in Alaska are far higher than the rest of the U.S.)
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Old May 13th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #979
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There could be multiple reasons. For example scarcity. If there aren't much gas stations in Euboea, the few there are can raise prices, people won't drive 50 or so km to go to a cheaper gas stations anyway.

Another reason could be transportation cost, although that seems a bit far-fetched as Greece is rather small. I can imagine it would be more expensive on the outlying smaller islands. (for example gas prices in Alaska are far higher than the rest of the U.S.)
Which is odd when you consider how much oil Alaska has. (Some of it still littering the coast of Prince William Sound 20 years after the Exxon Valdez leak....) Are they short of refineries? Selling it all elsewhere? I believe Hawaii's prices are very high by U.S. standards also. But very low by Europe's. Seriously, how does anyone in Europe afford road trips? Between the fuel prices and certain countries' tolls....
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Old May 13th, 2010, 05:12 PM   #980
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Between the fuel prices and certain countries' tolls....
It's a common misconception among Americans that driving becomes unaffordable at fuel prices that are 6, 7 or 8 dollars per gallon. Europeans drive a lot, only slightly less than Americans (84% vs 92%).
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