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Old December 6th, 2010, 07:15 AM   #1241
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€ 1.615 per liter in the Netherlands.... Just 8 cents from the all-time record with oil prices at 50% of the all-time record. What's wrong?

€ 1.615 per liter = $ 8.09 per gallon.
Every time I see these crazy prices in Europe I just can't imagine myself paying so much for gas (unless you're really wealthy). $3/gal (in the U.S.) and $8/gal (in Europe) - that's just not right!

No wonder they use 1.4 L engines in most cars in Europe.
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Old December 6th, 2010, 07:20 AM   #1242
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Closest gas station from me is selling at $3.29/gal (€0.65/l) here.
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Old December 6th, 2010, 07:04 PM   #1243
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I moved recently to Germany, and I hoped that gasoline prices would be lower than in Italy... I was sadly wrong...
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Old December 6th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #1244
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I think the last price was $0.755 per liter, wish I had a diesel because we will be back at $3/gallon or about $0.80/Liter in no time.
It jumped from $2.999/gallon to $3.079 on Friday or Saturday at the Sunoco station in my neighborhood (which is, as far as I can tell, the only gas station in downtown Philadelphia unless you define the downtown very broadly). Went to Washington and back yesterday; it's around $3.25 to $3.30 in D.C. (which is always higher than any place else I get to regularly) and over $3.00 in suburban Washington and suburban Philadelphia. Just under $3.00 around Baltimore; I paid $2.899 near Bel Air, Maryland (far northeastern suburb of Baltimore) because I'd noticed in the past that that county runs a dime lower than its neighbors, for reasons unknown, so I held out that long.

And running the heat in the car really does a number on mileage. I hate winter.
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Old December 6th, 2010, 10:32 PM   #1245
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As of Wednesday, unleaded E95 will cost here in avg. 351 Ft/l (equal to some 1,25 €/liter)
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Old December 6th, 2010, 10:49 PM   #1246
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Old December 6th, 2010, 11:07 PM   #1247
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Every time I see these crazy prices in Europe I just can't imagine myself paying so much for gas (unless you're really wealthy). $3/gal (in the U.S.) and $8/gal (in Europe) - that's just not right!

No wonder they use 1.4 L engines in most cars in Europe.
Our cars are more eco-friendly than yours . So we have to refuel they less times. And then we have prices on the $6-8/gal range. Mainly most of the price are taxes. So we have health care for free and you have to pay, for example .
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Old December 7th, 2010, 03:25 AM   #1248
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Our cars are more eco-friendly than yours . So we have to refuel they less times. And then we have prices on the $6-8/gal range. Mainly most of the price are taxes. So we have health care for free and you have to pay, for example .
You have to pay through the nose for services that you may or may not actually use. I'm sure ways to manipulate statistics to say that it's cheaper in the long run to have health insurance than to pay taxes like you do.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 03:29 AM   #1249
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I don't think the higher gas prices go to fund healthcare in those countries, I think they are used for infrastructural improvements. Truth be told, many of the highways in Western Europe are in better shape than in the US, although the fact that many of them are newer and deal with usually less extreme weather could play a role as well in explaining why. Also helps in funding rail too I guess.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 09:40 AM   #1250
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The tax income on automobility in the Netherlands is some € 17 billion annually. Only about € 4 billion of this (including lower governments) is spend on road investments, maintenance and operational services.

The problem in the U.S. is that the gas tax is too low to fund any projects, it's even too low to fund regular maintenance.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 01:13 PM   #1251
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You have to pay through the nose for services that you may or may not actually use.
True, but we also pay for people who are too poor to pay for health care. In Italy even the poorest guy can have state-of-the-art very expensive surgery without spending a dime... in the US he would just die.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 04:30 PM   #1252
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True, but we also pay for people who are too poor to pay for health care. In Italy even the poorest guy can have state-of-the-art very expensive surgery without spending a dime... in the US he would just die.
Blunt, but sadly true. Although perhaps we should stay off politics here.
What is less off topic is the fact (well, it seems to me to be the case) that the U.S. has such a national allergy to taxes and government services that we risk falling into third-world status. And that - here's where we get back on topic - is a problem for infrastructure.

That said, I'm opposed to raising the gas tax, because that would impact disproportionately people who are just getting by. We need to raise revenue elsewhere.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 04:34 PM   #1253
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That said, I'm opposed to raising the gas tax, because that would impact disproportionately people who are just getting by. We need to raise revenue elsewhere.
If you increase the gas tax by $ 0.20 per gallon, this would be the equivalent of € 0.04 per liter. Many European countries raise it by that amount every 2 - 3 years!
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Old December 7th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #1254
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Well, it would depend on the amount, of course. I've thought about this issue because there's a prominent New York Times columnist who I usually agree with who's been pushing for years for an increase of $2.00 a gallon or so. I don't think it's fair to do that at the same time you're maintaining income tax rates that are low even for the wealthiest people.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #1255
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If you increase the gas tax by $ 0.20 per gallon, this would be the equivalent of € 0.04 per liter.
Speaking of which, that just happened today in Ireland. In 2 years we'll have caught up with the Netherlands. €1.31 to €1.35 overnight.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 04:37 AM   #1256
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That said, I'm opposed to raising the gas tax, because that would impact disproportionately people who are just getting by.
Depends, thanks to market forces, a shock hike is possible regardless.

I've seen the price of gasoline go up by almost 40 cents in just a week before. That's more than double the federal gas tax.
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Old December 13th, 2010, 05:14 PM   #1257
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Blunt, but sadly true. Although perhaps we should stay off politics here.
What is less off topic is the fact (well, it seems to me to be the case) that the U.S. has such a national allergy to taxes and government services that we risk falling into third-world status. And that - here's where we get back on topic - is a problem for infrastructure.

That said, I'm opposed to raising the gas tax, because that would impact disproportionately people who are just getting by. We need to raise revenue elsewhere.
Totally agreed.

I don't know if this is the case in other countries, but in Italy the taxes we pay on fuel go to very specific matters (prices are in old lire):

1,90 lire to finance war in Ethiopia in 1935;
14 lire to repairs and compensations for the Suez crisis in 1956;
10 lire to repairs and compensations for the Vajont dike disaster in 1963;
10 lire to repairs and compensations for the Florence flood in 1966;
10 lire to repairs and compensations the Belice (Sicily) quake of 1968;
99 lire to repairs and compensations the Friuli quake of 1976;
75 lire to repairs and compensations the Irpina (near Naples) quake of 1980;
205 lire to finance Lebanon war of 1983;
22 lire to finance Bosnian peacekeeping mission of 1996;
39 lire for the renewal of job contracts of railway and bus drivers in 2004.

And we are still paying for all of them.
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Old December 14th, 2010, 11:02 PM   #1258
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Blunt, but sadly true. Although perhaps we should stay off politics here.
What is less off topic is the fact (well, it seems to me to be the case) that the U.S. has such a national allergy to taxes and government services that we risk falling into third-world status. And that - here's where we get back on topic - is a problem for infrastructure.

That said, I'm opposed to raising the gas tax, because that would impact disproportionately people who are just getting by. We need to raise revenue elsewhere.
I have this discussion all too often in regards to fuel tax/infrastructure. Everyone bitches about the roads falling apart and bridges too yet they don't want to pay more taxes.
It seems most Americans want to pay the same price for things and not take into consideration cost of materials/labor increases. I'm all for .20 or even .50 increase per gallon if it means smooth roads, no potholes and better lane markings. The cost to replace struts/shocks/tires etc due to shitty roads far exceed any increase of tax I would have to pay.
I hit a pothole on a bridge last winter and the concrete edges of the pothole were so sharp they CUT a huge chunk out of one of my back tires. I had to replace that day immediatly. I have a BMW and the tires are low profile which means it cost me after tax labor and replacement almost $300. I'm sure I wasn't the only victim as this was on the Outerbelt I-270
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Old December 15th, 2010, 06:54 PM   #1259
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Euro 95 - PLN 4.70 / € 1.16 liter / $ 5.90 gallon
Euro 98 - PLN 5.00 / € 1.23 liter / $ 6.27 gallon
Diesel - PLN 4.50 / € 1.11 liter / $ 5.64 gallon
Diesel Super - PLN 4.75 / € 1.17 liter / $ 5.96 gallon
LPG - PLN 2.50 / € 0.62 liter /
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Old December 16th, 2010, 12:28 AM   #1260
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