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Old January 20th, 2011, 04:52 PM   #1341
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Here in Milan yesterday I payed something like 1,40€ per Liter of fuel.
If that was diesel, it was high price; if petrol, it was low.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 09:58 PM   #1342
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At the petrol station where I fill up:

Regular Grade (87 octane): 1.10 CAD

Mid Grade (89 octane) 1.18 CAD

Premium Grade (91 octane) 1.23 CAD

Diesel: 1.05 CAD

Out of curiosity, what is the average octane rating for various countries. Canadian petrol must be considered absolute crap by Europeans.
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Old January 20th, 2011, 10:05 PM   #1343
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87 octane? How can any modern car drive filled up with it?
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Old January 20th, 2011, 10:08 PM   #1344
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Octane ratings in North America and Europe are not the same.

87 NA octane is 92 in Europe I believe.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 01:13 AM   #1345
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So, there are different measurement methods in Europe and America.
I checked in wiki and they say that difference in octane rating between RON(Europe) and rDON(North America) can go up to 5 octanes. Anyway, American 87 is still very low in octane number and seems to be very similar to German cheap Benzin which is - if remember correctly - 91(?).
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Old January 21st, 2011, 01:35 AM   #1346
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87 octane? How can any modern car drive filled up with it?
I fill up with 87 all the time. Nothing wrong with it.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 01:44 AM   #1347
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If that was diesel, it was high price; if petrol, it was low.
No, it wasn't diesel. It was fuel (green)!
The price was 1,43€ or 1,45€... I don't remember!
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Old January 21st, 2011, 03:15 AM   #1348
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American 87 is still very low in octane number and seems to be very similar to German cheap Benzin which is - if remember correctly - 91(?).
That's Premium Grade here, and the absolute lowest octane rating I will fill up with if at all possible (My motorcycle requires 91 octane fuel).
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I fill up with 87 all the time. Nothing wrong with it.
It's OK if your on the flat all the time, in hilly/mountainous areas, it doesn't burn as hot as 91 octane fuel. This results in a loss of power and knocking going up hills. This results in increased wear and tear on your motor as well as increased buildup of gunk in the engine.

Though more expensive, 91 is far better for you vehicle. Long term benefits include reduced maintenance costs, due to reduced wear and tear and carbon buildup because 91 grade fuel burns a lot cleaner. You get a bit more power because it burns hotter.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 09:29 AM   #1349
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Poland - Silesia today:

Euro 95 - PLN 4.75 / € 1.21 liter
Euro 98 - PLN 5.00 / € 1.28 liter
Diesel - PLN 4.55 / € 1.16 liter
Diesel Super - PLN 4.75 / € 1.21 liter
LPG - PLN 2.55 / € 0.65 liter
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Old January 21st, 2011, 09:33 AM   #1350
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Its, 27p a litre in Dubai,, so this just shows the real cost.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 09:53 AM   #1351
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Old January 21st, 2011, 09:55 AM   #1352
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Prices in MXL (as of January 2011, per liter. Other cities in Baja have cheaper prices)

Magna (87 oct): MXN 8.84 = USD 0.725 = €0,54
Premium (91 oct): MXN 10.14 = USD 0.831 = €0,62
Diesel: MXN 9.20 = USD 0.75 = €0,56

In US terms, that would be $2.74/gal, $3.15/gal and $2.85, respectively.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 10:11 AM   #1353
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Its, 27p a litre in Dubai,, so this just shows the real cost.
You can work out the real cost in the UK if pump price is £1.239

1.239 / 1.2 = 1.0325 = price without VAT

then deduct the per litre fuel duty

1.0325 - 0.5993 = £0.4332 / litre ($2.61 / US gallon)

Dubai is still quite a bit cheaper than that so I think it must be subsidized there.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 08:01 PM   #1354
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That's Premium Grade here, and the absolute lowest octane rating I will fill up with if at all possible (My motorcycle requires 91 octane fuel).

It's OK if your on the flat all the time, in hilly/mountainous areas, it doesn't burn as hot as 91 octane fuel. This results in a loss of power and knocking going up hills. This results in increased wear and tear on your motor as well as increased buildup of gunk in the engine.

Though more expensive, 91 is far better for you vehicle. Long term benefits include reduced maintenance costs, due to reduced wear and tear and carbon buildup because 91 grade fuel burns a lot cleaner. You get a bit more power because it burns hotter.
I plan on using 1 higher grade when I get a new car.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:42 PM   #1355
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95 petrol prices have hit a new record in Spain: €1.285/l ($6.606/gal). What is happening? Oil barrel is just below $100 vs $147 in 2008 . Maybe the Euro to Dollar exchange rate (Now at $1.3/€, then at $1.6/€).
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 10:40 AM   #1356
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No it's just inflation + Spain bad economy + Portugal bad economy + Irealand bad economy + Greece very bad economy + economic world crysis. In whole UE it's a big problem, prices are much higher than they should be because even there is a crysis and people should take care about finances - they've got them in some dark place Add to it higher taxes, add petrol stations which wants to earn more and you've got it
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Old February 14th, 2011, 08:48 PM   #1357
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Old February 15th, 2011, 01:53 AM   #1358
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Italy (national averages for today, prices per liter):

- Super Unleaded 95: 1,464 €
- Super Unleaded 98: 1,566 €
- Shell V-Power 100: 1,779 €
- Diesel (Normal): 1,346 €
- Diesel (Special): 1,424 €
- Shell V-Power Diesel: 1,668 €
- LPG: 0,779 €
- Methane (per kg): 0,884 €

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Old February 15th, 2011, 02:28 AM   #1359
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£1.299 on a petrol station near Gatwick Airport, England.

1.29 GBP = 1.53347 EUR, correct? If so, that seems higher than the EU average. But maybe it's the fuel tax, right?
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Old February 15th, 2011, 05:32 AM   #1360
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87 octane? How can any modern car drive filled up with it?
Virtually all cars, except for some high performance turbo/direct injection cars all recommend 87 octane. Even cars that recommend 91 usually say you can use 87 safely. Although even those cars are slowly changing to recommend 87 (RON+MON/2, which is 91 RON in EU) (for example, Hyundai Sonata turbo uses 87 and has turbo+direct injection) as gas prices rise.

Anyways, 87 is back at $1.20/L in Vancouver like a couple years back
Their excuse this time: a large refinery had to go offline for maintainence. Btw, most of the oil we produce goes to the US and gets sold back to us because there is "no demand" for new refineries here (none built in last 20 years).
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